Posturing and being silly (jennie_c_d)

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    Posturing and being silly (jennie_c_d)

    Emma and Jewel posture, a lot. Piloerecting, growling, circling, bumping. It's never come to more, so I just.... let them. Just now, I was kissing Emma on my lap, and when I put her down, Jewel ran INTO her, growling, and being pushy. Emma's hackles came up, and she shoved Jewel away, and went about her business. I'm not worried about it, because it all appears to be... safe. Should I worry? Emma seems completely unconcerned with Jewel's behavior, and mostly ignores her, except to posture and break with play (They do OFTEN break with play, which makes it seem really safe). The only time teeth are involved is when they're playing, and vocalizing a lot. Then, I see flashing teeth, but nobody is ever hurt.

     

    Good? Not so good? Thoughts?

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    Gaci and Shimmer are like this. They have a love/hate relationship. Once upon a time, when Gaci was young, she was not allowed to make her own decisions as she was inter-bi*ch aggression. But we did a lot of work, and she now chooses other, more acceptable outlets for her frustrations. To date the worst it ever gets is as you describe with your girls - Gaci gets tense, postures, circles, walks right up on her toes, and if she's really anxious she'll whine slightly. Shimmer generally freezes up and looks away, or sniffs, to avert any stress. Rarely Shimmer will punish Gaci's behaviour and Gaci will accept it (will not re-aggress), but I try to keep an eye for signs that either a) Gaci is losing the ability to control her emotions, and b) Shimmer is getting upset by the encounter.

    I've always been quite fascinated by their behaviour, because it's followed such an interesting path from aggression to modified frustration. I still actively reward Gaci for choosing non-aggressive behaviours such as shaking it off or walking away, and I will not hesitate to calming perform splitting techniques (walking in between them and redirecting attention on to other tasks, such as known behaviours).

    In a pack-theory, one would say they are of similar statuses and are constantly in conflict with each other. Or, in ethological terms, they experience frustration with one another, and are experiencing conflict within themselves between the actions of the other dog and their own desires. If I pick Shimmer up, Gaci does the exact behaviour sequence that you describe, pretty much to a tee. And Gaci and Shimmer's play sessions are often interspersed with posturing and then play.

    In terms of what I would do? If it's not escalating, I wouldn't intervene. If it's been going well thus far, and if one dog is not obviously being bullied, then they are obviously capable of figuring it out amongst themselves. I would just keep tabs on it and always be aware of what is going on - who is instigating, how each reacts to the other, etc.

    Watch this video of the girls having a "play session".....you can clearly see the conflicting emotions in Gaci, from tense and anxious, to loosening up and beginning to play (taken in September 2008).
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3ZZpDDHjA0
    I love this video especially because it's chalk full of calming signals and strong communication. Gaci comes out, all tense on her toes, circling and stalking. Shimmer averts her gaze, brings her ears back, lowers her tail, licks her lips, and even yawns. She then circles away, walks parallel with Gaci and gently nose pokes her, followed by an almost-hip check (her biggest sign of play with the Schnauzers).
    All of these things cause Gaci to shake off (huge calming signal!), and then they immediately engage in play.
    Shimmer knows not to engage in active play until Gaci gives a signal that she has gotten over her anxiety. As soon as Gaci relaxes, Shimmer play bows and goes into a bounce and dash. Gaci then play bows in return and they play. At the end, Gaci walks to the bed and licks her behind (a calming behaviour for herself) as a way of keeping herself in check.

    I watch that video and everytime pick up on some very interesting nuances of their behaviours.

     

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    Another interesting behaviour chain (I'm very much into dog behaviour and body language....forgive me!!), in photos.

     

    But...at the same time, they do enjoy each others' company (they just try to hide it!!). A nicer moment....Shimmer is being affectionate towards Gaci (she licks her face and ears, and paws gently at her).



    And a few minutes later:


     

     

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     That is EXACTLY what they do. Jewel is behaving almost identically to Gaci, and Emma is behaving like Shimmer (which is huge, and incredible to watch, given her history of being same sex aggressive and injuring a dog in the past). I keep a close eye on them, and I do walk between, if it gets too tense, or I'll ask who wants a cookie, then have them sit and give me a couple of behaviors for a treat. Thank you so much for the photos and video! That makes it so much more clear! Jewel is a bit more vocal than Gaci, growling and whining the whole time, but she's almost constantly chattering, anyways.

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     When I had two males of the same size in the house, there was always lots of posturing, particularly by the older male. There were very few scuffles and never any bloodshed. So really, I didn't worry. It's all a way of communicating.

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     Oh, and they are similar size and age. Emma is 6 years, 13 1/2 inches tall. Jewel is 8 years, 15 inches tall. Both are spayed, but Jewel was only spayed a few weeks ago. Jewel is also still probably adjusting to being here. She's been here for 2 months, now, and is just learning the ground rules. She seems to have been a house dog in the past, but also seems to have been allowed to do as she pleased.

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    A few of my dogs do this all the time.  I just attributed it to playing or trying to get my attention.  Daisy (The Boss) will usually run in and break anything up before things even remotely get close to being outta hand.

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