Recall Deer/ fast moving animals

    • Gold Top Dog

    No, what I meant is that while they are a dream OUTside, on or off lead, every now and then INside they are little misbehaving heathens.  Unless DH is home...then they are angels.  Rotten things! LOL.

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    What a good Corgi!

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    Haha my little angels are nearly perfect too but they make mistakes sometimes but 99% of the time "thier" mistakes are actually mine. I trained them so they only know what I taught them!

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    Kenya - Reliable off leash, she has prey drive and will give chase but I can (and have) called her off deer.

    Nikon - Depends on the frame of mind.  Our old Schutzhund field often had deer, rabbits, turkeys, some giant rodent can't think of the name, etc and I never had to call him off of them because he knew we were there to work and train.  They never even caught his attention.  Now if we were out doing an off lead hike in the woods, he'd probably give chase.  I may or may not be able to call him back.  Luckily, he tends to use his nose more than his eyes.  He will smell the deer before I see it and start getting anxious, but I can spot it before he can sniff it out so I'm able to attach a line.  If not I let him chase it for a bit then call him back.  Anytime I let my dogs off line in the open my assumption is that if they do run off there is enough "space" for them to be safe.  I don't have problems recalling Nikon but I might not be able to get him to instantly give up the chase.

    Coke - He is not reliable off leash anywhere in any context.  He is on a tie-out in our fenced in yard.

    Pan - Well, he's only 11 weeks so he sticks by me or the other dogs.  If he ran off it would be because he wants to go with the other dogs.

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    Thanks for the detailed response!!! When we are out offlead we too are usually on alot of land and have a saftey net of miles between us and road.

    When we do removals at farms tho we can be rather close thats why I make thier recalls so reliable, other wise I wouldnt have to worry bout being close to roads.

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     First, you should always have bells on your dogs if they are off leash - no matter what time of year it is. This helps to scare off the critters before the dogs even see them which cuts down on a lot of the chase situations. Sometimes though critters are dumb or too young to know better and the dogs will flush something out.

    My dogs are off leash more than they are on, so I work on this a lot. You have to gradually work up to what you want by starting with the basics: passive attention, leave its and recalls. 

    Passive attention:  I started this by giving them treats whenever they would even look at me while off leash. So, if they are up ahead sniffing something then turn their head toward me, I mark it with a "YES! good dog!". They know the marker word yes means that a treat is coming so they will instantly come running when they hear me say it. This reinforces them to always note where I'm at whenever we are out and about.

    Eventually, the return to me for the treat gets burned in to their brains and every few minutes they will make a sweep by me on their own. When they do this, I mark it with a yes and give a treat.Then they go back to their sniffing and so forth.

    In low distraction situations, I will start to interject a "here" which is my relaxed version of come. Come means get your but to my feet now. Here means just come to my general vicinity, check in with me, etc. It's basically just labeling their coming to grab a treat and go. Eventually this turns in to a relaxed recall so that they will come to me, walk near me (within 10 ft or so) for a few minutes or until I say ok.

    Next I work on adding leave it and "here's" or "comes" together. Of course, we work on the leave it in every possible situation imaginable - at home, with meals, toys, each other, etc. I add leave its to things they want to sniff that aren't that highly interesting and gradually build up. Again, I mark the leave its with a yes followed by a treat (or a release command to go ahead).

    Jackpots are needed for whenever they leave a small critter like a squirrel or a bird. 

    Neiko has been trained this way big time and he will never go where he can't see me (this is causing us problems with SAR but that is another topic). So, if he flushes up a deer or other critter, he will initially take notice and maybe give chase for about 100 ft then stop. His leave its and recalls are always reliable and i never worry about him chasing anything for a distance.

    Abbie and Lily have higher prey drives though so I have to stay on top of them and train train train. Abbie is much more reliable than Lily but that is because I have put more work in to Abbie due to sar stuff. I've gotten lazy with Lily.

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    Thank you for all the information! Other posters will have fun reading it too.

    Bells are a good idea when im conditioning my dogs in the fields but when someone sends me out on thier land to remove groundhog, raccoon or etc. then it will defeat the purpose!

    Ive nearly been ran over by deer out in the fields, there are just so many of those guys!

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    When I use the command "come" it means to my dogs they have to come in and I have to touch them. So proof runs in i touch his head and he runs out, or i touch him the ask for an "easy" which is a loose heel, stay within 3 feet of me. If I want thier attention, like just to see them I will say one of thier names, they run within seeing distance and i yell good boy and they head back out. Kinda of like your "here" command but I just say individual names when I want to be sure that soemone is safe.