Pack leader (?) reg. walking on leash and more, for inexperienced owner-wannabe.

spiritdogs

all your video proved was that your dog would sit absolutely still (which many dogs that have been correction trained do very well) and not take a french fry off the floor.  What I would prefer to see is a video that actually shows you clicker training your dog to do a shaped behavior.  How about teaching your dog to go to an open kitchen drawer and close it (without luring or touching the dog)?  Simple enough for a dog that is clicker savvy.

As you know I have no qualms admitting I've used corrections with my dogs, yet I use marker training to shape behaviours all the time.

Most recently, I taught my beagle to pick up a wooden dumbell (to start training the formal retrieve for obedience) using freeshaping. She learnt to do it in three short training sessions, in one day. I have a video on my utube channel if you'd like to see it.

:)

espencer

tenna

Learning slows down and deteriorates when animals are punished - so it makes training even harder.

 

I'm truly curious.  How can this be true if dogs live in the here and now???

 Oh gawd... here we go again..... I can't see OP ever coming back now.....

willowchow

espencer

tenna

Learning slows down and deteriorates when animals are punished - so it makes training even harder.

 

I'm truly curious.  How can this be true if dogs live in the here and now???

I think the statement that they live in the here and now can be somewhat misleading, because it implies that dogs have no memory, but we know that isn't true at all.  They don't probably spend much time sitting around contemplating the future, or their navels for that matter, but they make associations, and the association between actions and punishments is strong, and does factor sometimes into slower learning.  The most tentative dogs are sometimes the ones that have made an association with moving in a certain way and receiving a punishment.  And, I'm not implying that the punishment always comes at the hands of a human, either.  It can be that they got poked in the foot when trying to cross a stream.  So, some learn that they shouldn't cross the stream, therefore it might be harder for a trainer, for example, to teach them how to cross in a different spot to avoid being stuck again.