4th of July done my way

 Doesn't that hurt their throat? I know the GSD people use harness when doing sleeve work (from what I can tell anyways)

I use both a harness and an agitation collar with my dog, I keep the dog guessing. While sport is a goal of mine its not the only goal in regards to the training. In any real life situation its more likely the dog will be on a collar rather than an agitation harness, so shouldn't the dog also be trained on/in the most likely equipement?

auburn2932

 What is the purpose of this anyway?  I think it is sickening to do that to a dog.  Sorry, but that is my opinion.

The purpose is to give a our dogs a job. Both of our dogs are bull breeds and were bred to work. I guess it would be sickening for a herding breed to herd, a retriever to retrieve, an LSG to guard livestock, and/or have any breed do the function it was bred to do. My dog has a CGC, both dogs will be temperment tested in September through the ATTS, and possibly be trialed in PSA for a PDC in September as well. So what does your dog do? What have you done to see if your dog measures up to its breed standard?

Kitty you can use a collar, or harness, or both.  I've used a harness because Nikon does the most excellent barking and always has, the collar often chokes out the bark (though not really choking the dog) and I like to play to his strengths .  For GSDs the agitation collar is typically 1.5-2" wide.  When I do agitation at home and am too lazy to strap him into his harness I just use Kenya's 2" collar (Nikon doesn't even notice it's pink).

Nice vids.  Can't really comment on the bites or how the dogs are worked since everyone has their own way and the requirements are way different for Schutzhund than PSA work, more precise and stylized.  But, we cancelled club for the holiday so good on you!

 Okay, just asking what was the purpose.  LOL as for my dog, she is my companion and pet she does not really do anything but keep me company and as you can see she is just a little one.  Sorry, if I hurt your feelings did not mean to. I am a 78 year old lady and just not into all that and did not know anything about it at all.

auburn2932

 Okay, just asking what was the purpose.  LOL as for my dog, she is my companion and pet she does not really do anything but keep me company and as you can see she is just a little one.  Sorry, if I hurt your feelings did not mean to. I am a 78 year old lady and just not into all that and did not know anything about it at all.

Bitework has different purposes for different people.  Some are training police and military dogs.  Some are training for high levels of sport.  Some are training for their own personal protection dog.  I personally do it because I like it, my dog loves it, and I love training using his drives rather than always having to lure with food.  

You really cannot base any sort of credible opinion on this type of training on just these two videos posted here.  What you see here is not how these dogs start.  My puppy started by tugging on rags and playing with balls, just like any other dog.  The dog is worked in prey drive until he is a mature adult, and some dogs are always worked in prey drive, never any real defense or aggression.  It is not easy to explain in a single paragraph especially if assumptions are already being made.  Most clubs are open to visitors, you can go watch and have the TD explain how it works.  I've seen Chinese Crested and Rat Terriers doing the same work, not just the breeds with bad raps.

auburn2932

 Okay, just asking what was the purpose.  LOL as for my dog, she is my companion and pet she does not really do anything but keep me company and as you can see she is just a little one.  Sorry, if I hurt your feelings did not mean to. I am a 78 year old lady and just not into all that and did not know anything about it at all.

 I took exception to the sickening comment. Like I said my dog has a CGC, and he earned that while in training to do bite work. He also does OB work as well. Though the OB work isn't nearly as exciting to watch ;)

 Typically, dogs that do protection work are breeds that need a job to do, and need an outlet.  Properly trained, these dogs are not mistreated or dangerous to the public.  I recently had a nice Alapaha come to class with me and earn his CGC and therapy dog registration.  I didn't see anything in either video that made me suspicious about the training, although I tell any of my students who are interested in Schutzhund or the ring sports or protection to be EXTREMELY careful who they train with, and to avoid the "macho" trainers and stick to people who understand dog behavior and know how to tell a stable dog from an unstable, or aggressive one.  Aggressive dogs should never be protection trained IMO - too much of a liability.

The only one thing I did wonder when viewing the videos is why the dog is still intact.  I have no problem with responsible breeding, but I hope this isn't another case of macho;-)  In any case, it's really a dilemma when considering breeding the bully breeds.  So many of them end up in the wrong hands despite breeders' best efforts (and, of course, the back yarders who don't make "best efforts";).

I might know that blue blood. I know a person in the area that has 2. Yes my dog is intact, I'm evaluating him for breeding purposes. Time will only tell if he has the right stuff.

Not sure of 2bully's motives, but Anne you don't need to be intact for the sport, but for national level and international level competition the dog has to be intact, so if you think there's even a faint possibility of competing (actually you can enter a national competition as long as you qualify), you wouldn't want to neuter your dog.  And the vast majority of people training dogs at this level of commitment are aboslutely not siring "oops" litters or doing a lot of breeding, not until the dog is done competing especially a bitch.

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Liesje

Kitty you can use a collar, or harness, or both.  I've used a harness because Nikon does the most excellent barking and always has, the collar often chokes out the bark (though not really choking the dog) and I like to play to his strengths .  For GSDs the agitation collar is typically 1.5-2" wide.  When I do agitation at home and am too lazy to strap him into his harness I just use Kenya's 2" collar (Nikon doesn't even notice it's pink).

Ah! I see! It's interesting to see the different tools used in this sport. I'd love to get into this but there aren't any clubs around here and I don't have a dog that's interested in it either. 

Poor Nikon! Made to wear pink! Lol

What about Sandy?  I watched a rat terrier get a protection title a few weeks ago.  I would love to try a protection sport with a scrappy terrier or cattle dog!