outgrow food allergies?

    • Gold Top Dog

    outgrow food allergies?

     Is it possible for a dog to not have food allergies after a long period of time of not being exposed to those allergens? Jetta has been on a diet free of barley,flaxseed, and brewers yeast for almost 2 yrs. I REALLY want to feed her a food like BB, Wellness, Solid gold, or Innova but I'm afraid she'll go back to being itchy b/c those foods contain at least one of her allergens.

     I know people can outgrow allergies, but I'm not sure about dogs?

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     Dogs' allergies tend to get worse with time, not better. I was told by a human allergy doctor, years ago, that if you weren't exposed for an allergen for over 6 months, you could lose your sensitivity to it, but that didn't work on Emma, at all. Didn't work on me, either, LOL.

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    Definitely didn't work for me either....I ate avocados my entire child, early adulthood...never had a single issue.

    Almost 3yrs ago, we were eating cottage cheese mixed with avocado, (a favorite childhood snack with crackers), not 5 minutes later I was on deaths door. No particular reason why, just out of the blue I was suddenly deathly allergic to avocados.

    I've had cottage cheese since, with no issues. I will NOT attempt fate by eating another avocado...and it's sad cause I LOVE avocadoes.

    My 2yr old NSDTR has intolerances to barley, brewers yeast, oats, wheat, flaxseed, etc as well. There are only a few foods I even bother to feed, Orijen, California Natural lamb/rice puppy version, and he could eat Evo, IIRC, but I haven't tried it yet.  Right now we're working on weeding out poultry to make sure he doesn't have intolerances to that.

    I think TOTW salmon version is clear of all offenders.

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    jettababy

     Is it possible for a dog to not have food allergies after a long period of time of not being exposed to those allergens?

    According to Donald Strombeck, DVM (author of Home-Prepared Dog & Cat Diets) it's possible for a dog to "heal" from food allergies by going for a long period of time w/o exposure to the offending food(s).  I believe six months is the minimum time period he recommends.  He's the only source I've ever heard/read who said that.  I haven't tested my dog to find out whether it's true for him or not.

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    Think of dog allergies as a bucket under a slow leaking tap.  PLUS the bucket itself has a small leak in it.

    Depending on how fast the tap leaks the bucket will ultimately "fill" and overflow (think of the overflow as how allergies manifest on the skin/outside of the body). 

    The stuff that the dog is absolutely completely allergic to (and I mean a REAL 'allergy' not just an intolerance) -- things that aren't going to change like atopic allergies, flea allergy dermatitis -- the "biggies" if you will.  Those things are steady and will often keep the body (the bucket) pretty darned full.  Doing all we do to help our allergy dogs (bathing, antihistamines or homeopathic/acpuncuture, other alternative treatments) helps keep that bucket from OVER-flowing.   And you've got that slow leak at the bottom (things like off-seasons, maturity, good care, good vet care) that also help equalize.

    But when the bucket's darned near full and it's "high season" AND the dog gets a ton of "new" potential allergens thrown at it and it's pretty well overflowing ANYWAY, then most any *new* thing you throw at it, is very very apt to react as an allergen. 

    This is why it can be so dangerous to food switch when you're trying to diagnose -- because yet one more "new" food can often simply be interpreted by the body as yet again one more NEW ALLERGEN instead.  Then you run out of 'novel proteins' because you threw too much at the body too fast and it became an allergen rather than something 'ok'.

    Ok -- so with care you get that level in that bucket down.  The trickle out the bottom is really helping to lower the level and you've got things balanced out so the skin is "ok".

    Introducing some new food **very carefully** when everything else is low-key (not high allergy season outside -- maybe introducing just ONE of those ingredients as a topper rather than a whole new food) and you may discover a greater tolerance. 

    There is such broad mis-conception that food is the ultimate allergen.  It's not.  But it's often one of those things that will instantly bring on a reaction -- simply because the whole balance of everything else is SO precarious. 

    In a healthy dog the hole in the bottom of the bucket and the leak INTO the bucket are nearly equal or the one out the bottom is a bit bigger. 

    People tend to be SO focused on food that they forget that the allergy response in the body is NOT paved with flags that say "Allergic to chicken!!" and anything else is ok.  Because the dog is undoubtedly ALSO allergic to a whole host of other things that most folks don't even have a CLUE are allergens.  Things like oak, maple or that bush out your back door ... dust, wallpaper, mold and mildew (and maybe your cellar is dirt or something).

    People see the reaction with 'food' quicker is all.  It's not that they're the ONLY allergens.  BUT all the allergens that the body is sensitive to all go into that bucket and pretty well become indistinguishable one from another.  They ALL simply push the body's immune system further than it can stretch.

    Also -- and this is how it's been explained to me by several vets -- the body's immune system should either be "on" ... or "off".  Our immune system should NOT be standing there loaded and rapid firing at any and ALL things. 

    The immune system should be at 'rest' until the body encounters a real threat.  Then the immune system should go "on" -- to destroy that threat.  And then the immune system should stand down and be at 'rest' again.

    When the immune system becomes over stretched -- and it is  maxxed out beyond what it can handle -- it gets stuck in the "on" position. 

    This is where huge allergic response happens -- because then ANYTHING new is perceived by the body as a potential threat and if too much "new" (whether it's new pollen in the air, or new protein or preservatives in food) is introduced the body simply guns for EVERYTHING.

    This is also how auto-immune happens.  The body gets so used to being "on guard" that it generalizes so more things generally are seen as 'invaders" -- things that are actually "normal".  It's again a result of the body being pushed too hard -- either by toxins or vaccines or medicines or stress of some kind.

    Sorry Jetta -- more than you asked for. 

    But truly -- if you want to try one of those things I wouldn't switch to a whole new food -- but I might try ONE specific thing that you know was a problem previously and try just a bit of it.  But I would *not* try it during spring greening, or during house-cleaning or any time when there is stress, schedule changes, or any sort of turmoil.

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     She has environmental allergies to oak, maple, and ragweed, but she doens't itch at all from these b/c her diet keeps her below her threshold level i guess. She can eat TOTW but that is so high in fat and protein that she was eating so little of it and was still kind of chubby. So now she is eating a lower fat food that doesn't have barley or flax  (royal canin).  I just really wish she could eat more than these two brands of food!

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    jettababy
    I just really wish she could eat more than these two brands of food!

    LOL I know how that is! Pirate isn't 'allergic' to anything but I try to feed only certain cooling foods - for his seizures - and there are basically two canned foods he can have!!

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    jettababy
    I just really wish she could eat more than these two brands of food!

     

       Jessie has more food allergies than Jetta and I know how you feel. But, it helps to remember that Jetta isn't aware of how restricted she is. You're a great dog mom and make her happy in many other ways.

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    I'm lucky in the fact that Rivers's intolerances DO seem to be food related, I can get his ears (not that I'm wanting to) to turn a flame red within 15-20min if I accidentally feed him left over oatmeal or give him a piece of bread.

    It's now a big major no no in our house that Rivers gets any kind of treats relating to tortilla's, bread, oatmeal, etc.

    Finding treats that he can eat is next to impossible, there's only one shop that carries affordable treats that don't have any of these offenders.

    Rivers's ears will return to a soft pink within 12-24hrs and stay that way unless he's had an offending agent.

    I can duplicate this reaction any time on any day, for a while we WERE literally trying to rule in or rule out which grains caused problems.

    He can eat millet and brown rice....even the quinoa we were feeding is questionable.

    I'm not sure about chicken yet, won't know for a few more weeks or so. He wasn't having flair ups in terms of skin signs or even red ears, but his stools have never really been all that wonderful, even when I fed him nothing but chicken and brown rice or chicken and sweet potatoe.

    So now we've got him on a very bland diet of lamb/rice, to see, at least, if his stools will normalize.

    I'm one of the lucky owners though, in being able to guess pretty accurately on the grains that were causing issues and eliminate them abruptly, as Rivers's hasn't had an ear infection or any kind of skin issue, including out of control itching since I got him at 4mnths old.

    In fact, if his ears didn't turn an instant red, one would never know...but, I've also lived with relatives who've had goldens/labs that showed high allergic responses to grains in their diets....though it was never questioned, rather the dogs had to live on prednisone versus questioning the diet and surroundings.  

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    Stanton -- I'm limited too with Billy.  But you might want to try the Gerber Graduates dried bits of fruit.  Billy LOVES them.  There are apple bits, and then there are ones that are banana and strawberry.  They are little bits of freeze-dried fruit so they actually **crunch**.

    Another friend of mine uses banana chips very successfully (again,  they CRUNCH). 

    It's kinda amazing that just a regular thing you can pluck off the grocery store shelf (baby section) can be that enticing but my dogs think they rock.  The yogurt blops (if your dog isn't lactose intolerant) are pretty tasty too, but I save those for "special" cos they're bigger and I limit Billy's dairy too.

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    Didn't think to use their fruit before...I have numerous times however, used their baby gerber vegetables.

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     Mine love the fruit, but Emma can't have it. Her fav is apples, and we suspect (since she's allergic to pears) that she's allergic to apples. Emma eats kibble, and canned Z/D. Literally nothing else (she does get some water additive, when we travel) to eat. I just.... pretend kibble is A VERY SPECIAL TREAT and she plays along.

     

    I've found, with her, that I care a whole lot more than she does. Four months, and I still struggle with not being able to feed her stuff. She's great with it, though! She feels better, she's a happy dog, again.