Teaching Stand (Rally-O)

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    Teaching Stand (Rally-O)

     Sandy won't stand!! I've got a book called "Click your way to Rally" that I'm using to train Sandy and so far it's been great! Except for two problems.. She won't lie down and she won't stand.

    When I'm trying to get her down, I bring a treat from her nose and lower it, slowly, to the floor between her paws.  She'll lower her head til she's got a curve in her back but she will not down. I've never taught Down with a clicker. So is this one I'm gonna have to teach in stages? I haven't named it since I don't want to name an incomplete behavoir.

    With Stand. I bring a treat at her nose and slowly bring it away from her nose. The theory is, the dog follows the treat and stands up. Not so with Sandy. She'll stretch out and scoot her butt. But will not stand!!

    Any advice? I know she's just a pup but I've never seen a dog/puppy refuse to move for food...

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     For "down", I have honestly had the best success with the "under the knee" method, and so did a friend to whom I recommended the technique when she was having issues with "down".

    Sit on the floor, maybe with your back up against something like a wall or the sofa, for the sake of your comfort.  Stretch out both legs, then bend one of your knees so that it is high enough off the ground for Sandy to get underneath it IF she is in the down position.  Hold your clicker in the hand on the same side as your bent leg, and treats in the other hand.  With Sandy next to your bent leg, lure her underneath your knee with the treats so that she has no choice BUT to go into a down to get under your knee and to the treats in your hand.  As SOON as she has gone into that down, click and treat her.  Repeat, repeat, repeat, until you feel comfortable adding the cue.

    For "stand", I'd free-shape that if she won't do it.  Click/treat when you catch her in a stand position, as often as possible, until again you feel comfortable adding the cue.  

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     You can also just keep a clicker and some treats on you, and "capture" the down when she does it herself.  Takes a lot longer, but just as effective in the end.

    If you are going to lure a short-coated dog down, or do the under the knee method, try doing it on a carpet first - some dogs just don't like the cold, hard floor idea.  Also, when doing "nose to toes" lure, do NOT pull your hand out in front of the dog - keep it directly nose to toes, and very near the toes.  Pulling it out makes the dog follow the hand and they get up.  If your dog is not a "popper upper", taking the lure s-l-o-w-l-y from nose to toes, then teasing a bit, with the food still on the floor between the toes,  sometimes works better.

    For stand, you can get the dog up from a sit to a stand by placing a tiny piece of liverwurst in your hand and, again s-l-o-w-l-y holding it right on the dog's nose, lure the dog.  As soon as the dog is up, your hand opens, they get the treat as you say "stand".

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     Thanks for the help! I tried the "Under the knee" on the carpet but she just jumped over my leg. Lol. I think I'm gonna have to catch it and mark it during the day as she lies down. Smile

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     To do the under the leg thing, you really have to be quick about sticking the food right on her nose, like a magnet, LOL.  Some dogs really are quick, though, and it can be hard for someone who isn't used to it, to get them under.  Sometimes, I let the dog lap cheese off one hand until I get the second one under my leg and near the nose so that I can lure.

    Capturing will take longer, but it still works. Big Smile

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     Thanks Spiritdogs!  I used capturing to get her to sit on command.. Now she does it for almost anything. Quite cute.

    I bought a treat bag today so I can carry around more treats.  And my pockets will thank me for it. 

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    For stand, Kenya's breeder (and original trainer) actually does it by bringing her treat/fist into the dog's chest and nudging the dog backwards.  I tend to move the treat out forward and give a tiny nudge on the dog's belly with my foot.  I also train a stand from motion to reinforce that not all stands (or downs) are done from sitting.  So far, Nikon's most solid command is actually a down from standing.

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     Hmm.. maybe you can teach Sandy to down for me? Lol

     I'll try that with the nudging if I can't get it with just the treat. Sandy's most solid command right now is Sit. Lol.

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    Teaching Honor to stand was a little non-traditional.  I had already taught her "Touch", and I asked her to "Touch" from a sitting position.  I had placed my hand far enough away from her nose that she actually had to stand up to execute, and once she was in the standing position, I used her "Stand" hand signal and command.  A little odd, but worked like a charm, and she had it in 3-4 tries.   Having a good "Touch" command was a must, though.  Most dogs pick up on "Touch" pretty quickly.

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    Infiniti

    Teaching Honor to stand was a little non-traditional.  I had already taught her "Touch", and I asked her to "Touch" from a sitting position.  I had placed my hand far enough away from her nose that she actually had to stand up to execute, and once she was in the standing position, I used her "Stand" hand signal and command.  A little odd, but worked like a charm, and she had it in 3-4 tries.   Having a good "Touch" command was a must, though.  Most dogs pick up on "Touch" pretty quickly.



    Hey, this isn't odd at all.  It's very similar to luring the behavior, and is another great way to teach "stand" that we use all the time.  Good thinking on your part.  And, hint to others, "touch" can be very useful in teaching the heel, too.

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    oranges81

     Hmm.. maybe you can teach Sandy to down for me? Lol

     I'll try that with the nudging if I can't get it with just the treat. Sandy's most solid command right now is Sit. Lol.

     

    It might have to do with size.  My dogs are big and their paws slide on anything other than carpet so if they are not given a sit command, they choose to down b/c that's where they end up anyway.

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     Touch is the next behavior we're working on. 

    Sandy's paws are cat like so they stick to anything. Lol. I think Down will have to wait a bit..

    OH! And I found the treat to lure Sandy to a stand. (Thanks CALLIE!) Those Gerber Graduates. Strawberry and banana flavored! Sandy loves them. I let her nibble on an end while I lure her in to postion then click and give her the rest of the treat.. Am I doing that right?? Lol.