Knox Question...

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    Knox Question...

     I am thinking about giving Jack Knox, but I have questions...

    -I just want to give the regular plain Knox gelatin--I already give him joint supps that I'm pretty happy with and his food has glucosimine and chondroitin from connective tissue--would that be OK?

    -Can the Knox be given with other supps?

    -How much would I give?  Jack is 1 year 10 months and 60 lbs.

    -How long does it take for me to know it is working?

     
     

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    I give KayCee 1/2 scoop in her supper every night.  She also gets two glucosamine/chrond. tabs every day, two fish oil and an Ester C all for her joints--and AI have her on Taste of the Wild grainless food  Has been on the High Prairie (Bison, deer, etc) for severl months, but today I picked up a bag of the Wetlands which is fowl.

     KayCee is a golden retriever, will be 9 in Aug, has had both knees operated on for luxating patellas--first at 16 months, other 14 months later, has an enlarged heart chamber, and a mal forum kidney, but kidney works just fine, never had a UTI.   She did great on Purina One, but I wanted grainless at her age. 

     When my old golden that I lost last may at 12 years 3 months gotarthritis in his spine and  hips, his spine actually "buckled up" and made a curve.  He alwasy trotted once up, but wa slow getting up and down and couln't stretch his rear legs out behind him t all.  He had been on the Knox about  2 1/2 or less months when I saw him stretch his legs some.  It really helped him.  He was getting (and KayCee is) the one with the joint stuff added.  Callie can probably tell yu more about it than me.  I just know it helped Buck and seems to do a lot for KayCee..

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    don't be confused -- Knox NutraJoint is NOT Knox gelatin (like for fingernails).  DON'T give just the gelatin.  It's not going to work.

    NutraJoint is a supplement of calcium and bovine cartilage in proportion.  They work together.  1/2 a scoop for your dog would be fine,

    Now ... Knox NutraJoint comes in several forms -- so maybe that's what you thot you were thinking -- there's one with g/c and such-- and that's not necessary. 

    try http://www.nutrajoint.com  - it will show you pictures.  You want the orange and white cannister and get the 'plain' one (not flavored with nutrasweet).  My grocery store has it in the Jello aisle -- and the ones with g/c are in the pharmacy. 

    This isn't a painkiller.  Not at all.   It takes about 2-3 months to even *begin* to see results usually -- but the change is permanent because it actually helps *rebuild* cartilage -- that's why the proportion of calcium/cartilage is critical -- it puts the stuff at the body's disposal so it can rebuild what has been lost.

    Just give it once a day in food of some sort.  Dogs tend to like it -- it's not objectional at all really.  When I take it, it goes in my coffee (and I drink mine black!!) It makes it a tad gritty is all -- but you really can't taste it.

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    calliecritturs

    don't be confused -- Knox NutraJoint is NOT Knox gelatin (like for fingernails).  DON'T give just the gelatin.  It's not going to work.

    NutraJoint is a supplement of calcium and bovine cartilage in proportion.  They work together.  1/2 a scoop for your dog would be fine,

    Now ... Knox NutraJoint comes in several forms -- so maybe that's what you thot you were thinking -- there's one with g/c and such-- and that's not necessary. 

    try http://www.nutrajoint.com  - it will show you pictures.  You want the orange and white cannister and get the 'plain' one (not flavored with nutrasweet).  My grocery store has it in the Jello aisle -- and the ones with g/c are in the pharmacy. 

    This isn't a painkiller.  Not at all.   It takes about 2-3 months to even *begin* to see results usually -- but the change is permanent because it actually helps *rebuild* cartilage -- that's why the proportion of calcium/cartilage is critical -- it puts the stuff at the body's disposal so it can rebuild what has been lost.

    Just give it once a day in food of some sort.  Dogs tend to like it -- it's not objectional at all really.  When I take it, it goes in my coffee (and I drink mine black!!) It makes it a tad gritty is all -- but you really can't taste it.

     

    OK--I had looked at that stuff in the orange and white canister before and was concerned because of his age and the nutrients.  Jack is 1 year 10 months and is on Breeder's Choice Active Care right now.  We occasionally give him a Kong with canned meat in it too.

    This is the nutrient analysis of his food: 

    Guaranteed Analysis
    Crude Protein not less than 25.00%
    Crude Fat not less than 15.00%
    Crude Fiber not more than 3.00%
    Moisture not more than 10.00%
    Ash  not more than 5.50%
    Carbohydrates calculated 41.00%
    Chondroitin Sulfate not less than 4,000 mg/kg
    Chondroitin Sulfate not less than 400 mg/cup
    Glucosamine not less than 2,000 mg/kg
    Glucosamine not less than 200 mg/cup
    Caloric Content
    Metabolizable Energy (calculated) 3725 kcal/kg
    Metabolizable Energy (calculated) 380 kcal/cup

    Nutrient Analysis
    Vitamins Function As Fed Unit
    Vitamin A Eyes / Coat / Bones / Skin 16,490 IU/KG
    Vitamin D Vigor / Bones / Teeth 1,410 IU/KG
    Vitamin E Reproduction / Fetal Growth 123.00 IU/KG
    Thiamine (B1) Nerves / Digestion 15.40 MG/KG
    Riboflavin (B2) Eyes / Skin / Enzymes 11.60 MG/KG
    Pantothenic Acid Growth / Nerves 37.00 MG/KG
    Niacin Nerves / Coat 64.00 MG/KG
    Pyridoxine Blood / Growth 10.20 MG/KG
    Folic Acid Growth / Maint / Blood 2.00 MG/KG
    Biotin Metabolism / Skin / Coat 0.08 MG/KG
    Vitamin B12 Blood 0.13 MG/KG
    Choline Liver / Kidney / Nerves 2,990 MG/KG
    Minerals Function As Fed Unit
    Calcium Bones / Teeth / Muscle 1.40 %
    Phosphorus Bones / Teeth / Muscle 1.00 %
    Potassium Body Fluids / Metabolism 0.54 %
    Sodium Regulate Body Fluids 0.27 %
    Chloride Regulate Body Fluids 0.59 %
    Magnesium Bones / Teeth / Muscles 0.10 %
    Iron Blood 154.00 MG/KG
    Copper Blood 12.00 MG/KG
    Manganese Bones / Teeth / Muscle 16.00 MG/KG
    Zinc Reproduction / Skin 188.00 MG/KG
    Iodine Thyroid 6.50 MG/KG
    Selenium Bones / Muscle 0.26 MG/KG
    Amino Acid/Fatty Acids   As Fed Unit
    Arginine   1.50 %
    Lysine   1.30 %
    Methionine & Cystine   0.84 %
    Tryptophan   0.22 %
    Histidine   0.33 %
    Leucine   1.60 %
    Isoleucine   0.89 %
    Phenylalanine & Tyrosine   0.98 %
    Threonine   0.75 %
    Valine   1.20 %
    Omega 6   2.20 %
    Omega 3

     

    His joint supp also has vitamins in it: http://www.flexicose.com/rightlinks/ingredients.html 

    I am wondering if maybe the added vitamins and minerals in the Knox night cause something to become unbalanced nutritionally? 

     

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    The Nutrajoint is gelatin + vitamins and minerals.

    I think as long as Jack's done growing, it's fine. I'd only be worried about unbalancing something with a younger puppy.

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    Why would you give it?  Is there dysplasia or something?  The point of it is to REPLACE connective tissue lost, not as a normal growth thing.  It's not something I'd do to try to prevent something -- I know some use g/c that way, but I wouldn't use knox that way.  It's different.  g/c is a hydrator -- it plumps up connective tissue already there.  Knox is to re-build damage tissue

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     Jack has elbow dysplasia, if I'm remembering right. He's had surgery to fix his elbow, and went through all sorts of crazy stuff.

     

    I'd add it on top of his regular stuff. It does make a difference.

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    Yep -- it won't hurt a thing -- remember all food is formulated for "the normal dog".  Jack's NOT a normal dog if he's gone thru all that so his body needs more of certain things.