Undesired Ingredients [Allergies & Intollerence]

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My dogs do "tear up the farm for hours" if by that you mean continue to be able to work all day.  Livestock work is about endurance, not a "600 yard sprint" (uh, which actually wouldn't qualify as a sprint).  My dogs need to do what they do multiple times every day, each day, plus have leftover energy for longer projects like what we'll do today -- vaccinating the first set of lambs, banding all the ram lambs.

Don't imagine I stick all my sheep in a barn or holding facility and then the dog does nothing while I work - I do all my work in an open pasture and my dogs are used to cut out individuals and hold them for me to catch.

Ben's on almost all raw and he doesn't last more than a third of a day.  Yes, he's twelve, but he's never had the endurance unless I pace him very carefully, or add something like potato (but potato has health repercussions eventually for him too).

I suspect, all told, my dogs eat fewer carbs than yours.  Their kibble is 40% carbs GA.  Then they get fifty percent raw meaty bones - usually lamb, pork necks, or meaty chicken quarters (the bone in the one balances the meat and fat of the other).  These items add to their caloric intake but add no carbs, reducing their carb intake total to around the teens.  If anything my dogs are more in line with the ideal promoted by your mentor, than those who strictly feed his rations.

then we wonder why are dogs become allergy prone.

If this is yet another dig at Ben's allergies, Ben has never been on a food with prebiotics.  He's sensitive to most of them.  He's only been on four different kibbles his whole life, other than when he was at his breeder.

I have no idea where you get the notion that prebiotic action is bad (mea culpa, yes I do know "where";), but we'll just have to disagree there.  Just because one person comes up with notions to sell his own dog food, with no scientific research to back up  his statements, that's not enough for me to reject what both research and personal experience (meaning, feeding rescue dogs with a variety of challenges) has shown me to be true.

By the way, don't bother coming back with the whole, "That science is backed by the pet food industry and is suspect," mantra.  The framework of mammalian nutrition lies far outside the pet food industry, spanning human to livestock to exotics to pets.  I cannot say the same of a man who writes reams of undocumented opinions promoting his product as a one-size-fits-all approach to every dog on the planet.  If anything, there is suspect information there.

I think it yet another great thread but together by the OP, very interesting to read and learn what PetsUnited members are doing.

"The intention of this thread is to give guests & members a quick glance at what our dog community doesn't serve and why. Providing and sharing information..."

Nothing wrong with that aspect of sharing information however there is always the potential for problems when it comes to diversity of thought.  Some can accept diversity, others have a problem with it (no one in specific, just speaking in general).  How boring of a place would it be if we all thought the same in regards to one thing like nutrition?  So, everyone doesn't feed X ingredient because of a yuck factor...ho hum...time to move on.  Threads such as these invite and welcome discussion, and that is why I give credit to the OP to take the time and some initiative to do it, and it comes from her obvious concern and love from her pets!  Keep up the good work.  If by any chance there are some that would be opposed to a thread like this, you can really only chalk it up to one reason, they would obviously be opposed to diversity in thinking?

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By the way, don't bother coming back with the whole, "That science is backed by the pet food industry and is suspect," mantra.  The framework of mammalian nutrition lies far outside the pet food industry, spanning human to livestock to exotics to pets.  I cannot say the same of a man who writes reams of undocumented opinions promoting his product as a one-size-fits-all approach to every dog on the planet.  If anything, there is suspect information there.

You mean there is no such thing as industry propaganda? *EDITED: Personal attack* OK, tell you what, I'll back out because it seems obvious it simply gets people too upset for any discussion.  I'll try to stay out of the loop here when it comes to nutrition.  Sorry diverse opinion is not welcome.

Well how about we get back on track.  I don't feed any food that contains menadione. 

http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=menadione

http://ptcl.chem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/ME/menadione.html

I'm trying to take everything as corrective criticism for the sake of helping guests and forum members use the thread as a resource.

I have edited the intial post of the thread in hopes of clarification and proper intention. If people can't understand it by now then you do not have to post (especially if it is to complain, that type of conversation could have been left to PM since I have always said I am open to suggestion).

To myself and other members it is very straight forward; if you would like to participate then list the ingredients you avoid due to personal choice, allergies, intollerence, etc. Remember to be specific so there is no judgement or confusion. You can also participate by asking people why they avoid certain things. This should be a fun, stress free, and resourceful thread. Many people enjoy learning based off of other people's personal experiences. I hope that we can get back to the subject and do this.

I have been exercising my right and curiosity to learn by creating threads (just like everyone else). If you have nutrition questions you can be doing the same thing. If you don't enjoy the 3 new threads I created then you don't have to participate or sabotage them either.

What is it with the snippiness....I think everyone needs to step away from the computer, go into the kitchen, and have themselves a drink.....