Feeding IBD dog

    • Gold Top Dog

    Feeding IBD dog

     Hi Everyone.  New Here, so I hope you all can offer some nice info. I have a dog who has always had IBD.  I have paid nutritionists to formulate special homemade diets for him, well... not working at all.  He's actually gained weight, still is always hungry and I just can't seem to balance it right.  Everything I read contradicts what another  says and it's absolutely upsetting already.  Then the recall, well, I'm just so confused on what to feed.

    He's been eating, sweet potato, beef, liver, broccoli, zucchini, turnip, kale, and pumpkin. I put it in a crock pot after pureeing all the veggies.   Add the supplements separately. Probiotic and Digestive Enzymes too.  For a long time I thought he couldn't tolerate grains, so I stopped all grains.  I had tried a food by Canine Life out of Canada you make a muffin, well, fantastic potty's but constantly hungry.  He's constantly hungry, I cannot satisfy him and the second I think I finally did it, we have a problem.

     Just don't know.  Any ideas?

     

    My other 2 dogs are healthy, I don't know what to feed them either.  

    Any ideas about Back to Basics or Kumpi? 

    THANKS! 

    • Gold Top Dog

    Many IBD dogs do very well on limited ingredient diets like Natural Balance Duck & Potato, Fish & Sweet Potato or Venison & Sweet Potato, or Royal Canin's IVD Limited Ingredient diets (fish & potato/duck & potato/rabbit & potato).  I would definitely stick to foods like this that have easily digestible carbohydrates and single protein sources. 

     If you would like to try to go back to kibble, those would be the foods I would suggest.  (you can also feed the above foods to the rest of your dogs)
     

    • Gold Top Dog

    Papillon806 is right on here.  The only thing I would suggest is to start out with the canned product of the above mentioned options.  Way easier on the G-I tract-----then add in kibble, if desired.

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    A friend of mine's dog IBD dog does well on Nutro Herring; with one of myIBD dogs we had good results with Pro Plan chicken/rice.(it's not a super premium food but very digestible) But, probable the best would be one of the prescrition foods as Papillon suggested

    • Gold Top Dog
    Riley has IBS, so not quite as severe as IBD, but he gets very, very nasty stools if I don't monitor things carefully. We have gone through California Natural, Natural Balance, ProPlan Sensitive Stomach, Hills Prescription (from vet), Science Diet (what he was on when I got him from the rescue org), and homecooked.  He'll be OK for a bit on some of these, but inevitably things will take a turn for the worse a few weeks after switching over entirely (don't generally have problems when I'm in the process of switching). 

     

    The ONLY thing that gives him (1) firm stools, (2) stools without blood/mucus, (3) good coat condition, (4) stable weight and (5) no gas is a prescription formula from Purina (EN).  Most people on here would say to run screaming from Purina - and to be honest, there's a lot of stuff that makes me cringe in the ingredients list - but it works for Riley, and so far is keeping him healthy.  I have thought about exploring raw, but it seems almost probitively expensive (though the last bag of kibble I bought was over $60, so....).  A big part of me is tempted to just stick with what works, at least for the next 6-12 months. 

     

    I'll be interested in reading the responses you get here! 

     

    • Gold Top Dog

     Thanks everyone.  Unfortunately I have tried the prescription foods without success.  He actually does do well with raw meat, but the problem is balance and overcoming the hunger.  What monkeybear wrote is what we're going through too, fine for a while then for some reason the body rejects it. 

    Keep all responses coming!  Thanks so much. 

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    dustydo

     Thanks everyone.  Unfortunately I have tried the prescription foods without success.  He actually does do well with raw meat, but the problem is balance and overcoming the hunger.  What monkeybear wrote is what we're going through too, fine for a while then for some reason the body rejects it. 

    Keep all responses coming!  Thanks so much. 

     

     Have you tried the Natural Balance allergy formulas I mentioned?  They aren't prescription (they can be found at Petco)
     

    • Gold Top Dog

     yes, I have.  Not any difference. 

    • Gold Top Dog

    I thought I had heard that sometimes the probiotics and enzymes can cause them to digest quicker.  That could be contributing to the hunger.  Maybe he doesn't need them in addition to a special food???

    Also, you might want to consider the amount of veggies in your recipe too.  I have an IBS dog and the others I know as well don't do well with lots of veggies and fruits.  And, another culprit could be the liver, any organ meat seems to cause Willow to flare up.  And, even healthy dogs can have issue with organ meat.

    • Gold Top Dog

    I just also had another thought---you said he's gained weight.  So, as long as he's at the weight he's supposed to be I wouldn't worry about him acting hungry.  There are some dogs who will just do that all the time regardless of true hunger.  I mention this because you said that it's when you try to satisfy his "hunger" that he has the issue.   Overfeeding can cause poop issues in even a healthy dog and with GI issues it's worse.

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    I should also mention, with my IBD guy, once we found a food that worked well for him (no stomach upsets, firm stools, no mucous), he was absolutely ravenous----he was eating almost double what he eats now----it was almost as if he couldn't get enough (this, after hardly eating at all). This extreme hunger probably lasted for about a month before he finally seemed sated (he is not a dog to overeat).  He now eats normally for an active, small breed.  We now feed mostly a grain-free raw diet with great results (I mix it up with canned and homecooked every now and then) 

    That said, I would not automatically feed a raw diet to an IBD dog----starting out a simple formula food as suggested by papillon806 would be preferred, and staying with that food (whichever formula works) for a good six months would be best.  We also found that adding a good probiotic as well a l-glutamine  (to heal the lining of the G-I tract) was helpful.

     

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     Thanks so much, I never even thought about the enzymes causing him to digest quicker.  The hunger issue is really awful though, he literally barks and sits at the refrigerator, that's what concerns me.  So now, if the veggies/ liver  could be an issue, I'm back to square one, feeding a decent diet.

    I've tried almost every premix available, seemed to do fairly well with that Canine Life as far as stools, but just seemed to be lacking something. Plus it is very expensive, shipping is almost half of what the food costs   There's another company Essex Cottage Farms that makes a similar food, all gluten free I can get that at a decent price through doggiefood.com.  Any thoughts?

    He's not being overfed, that I'm watchful about.   

    • Gold Top Dog

    Yes, my vet also told me no raw for a dog in this state due to the digestive system possibly not being able to handle it--as in digest properly and/or digest it quickly enough.

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    willowchow
    I mention this because you said that it's when you try to satisfy his "hunger" that he has the issue.   Overfeeding can cause poop issues in even a healthy dog and with GI issues it's worse.

    Good observation, willowchow-----I'm also with you on the fruits/veggies thing----we feed very little fruits/veggies or we do have troubles.

    • Gold Top Dog

    I agree. Keep it simple until it's sorted out. None of the complicated stuff (like five or six different veggies, meat, AND organ). I'm fortunate, among pet owners who's pets have GI issues. Emma tolerates quite a bit. It took us a LONG time to get there, though.

     

    And she was "starving to death" for a couple of years. When we finally got to our current diet (raw, but not until after her gut had totally healed), she stopped that silliness and turned into a normal, but still very food-motivated dog.