Danny
Posted : 3/6/2006 1:37:07 AM
Hello there
As this seems to be more a survey of opinion than a one-answer-fixes-my-curiosity kind of question, I will add my two cents also.
You ask " how many people still use treats in training on a regular basis".
I find this question startling in that it would imply that using treats is a somewhat obsolete technique that meanwhile has been superseded by some other method. Of course, using treats in lieu of the mystical 'the dog works to please me!' is the new, more modern approach.
You continue asking "Do you think using treats with to great of frequency is a hindrance? At what point are you bribing the dog? "
Using treats with too great a frequency definitely is a "hindrance" as you put it. Basic behavioral research shows us that once a behavior is learned to an adequate level, the way to keep the dog's performance at a top level is to give only intermittent reward schedule, whereas continuous gaining of rewards lets the behaviour deteriorate. So, while I personally might "think" otherwise (after all, I am human, so I am one of those who never can get enough rewards :>

, the facts show that there is a too much and a too little in rewarding.
Talking in this context about bribing the dog is somewhat like mixing apples and oranges in my view. A reward is something earned and only visible and available after the performance. A bribe is something offered prior to the behavior. Bribing is never a good idea, no matter in what stage of training. "Luring", different from "bribing" in that it is used to ease the acquisition of new behaviour whereas a bribe is offered for the performance of one already known, can be helpful at times, but as fortunately even the most basic dog book teaches us, even this should be faded as fast as possible once the dog gets the idea.
You finally ask "Do you find that you have to have a treat to get focus out of your dog in distracting situations?"
If you have to or if you do offer a treat in a distracting situation you effectively do one of two things: a) you lure the dog or b) you bribe the dog.
To a): You lure the dog if the treat is offered in a systematic attempt to offer those lures and treats less and less often with the end result that at some point the dog will not see if you even have any treats but will get them sufficiently often as to keep up the wished for behaviour even under heavy distractions. Dogs look out for number one, therefore the dog must believe that the balance of things favors his compliance, that is, that the sum of aversive and rewarding outcomes will be better if he complies. Distraction proofing the dog is much easier using some treats. As all training, early stages require more treats and lures, final stages should require no lures and only intermittent treas.
To b): You bribe the dog if the treat is offered each time you seek to catch his attention, and if behind this offering of the treat is no systematic fading of the reward into an intermittent schedule. That is what we ought to teach bridging stimuli for, that once properly primed will catch the dogs attention, where then further bridges show the dog that it is on the right path which, when followed consistently, will eventually lead to all the good things he likes.
Lastly, we have to be clear that the only available alternative to treats (be they appetitive or predatory) are in the positive punishment/negative reinforcement complex - and those certainly have shown themselves to be not only loaded with a huge package of possible problems and repercussions, but also to be less effective, particularly when they are used to the exclusion of positive methods.
Just my two cents [

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