The Recall Game

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It never was my intent to dismiss you out of hand. On the other hand, I hope I've beeen able to intoduce some alternative ideas about getting the maximum co-operation out of a dog.  But then I see these forums are ovewshelminlgly geared to reinforcing the warm fuzzy approach to training.  What can I say.  I meet dogs every day who don't really understand that their percption is basically flawed.  And I have a range of options that let me deal with those shortcomings.  I only came her to mention a couple of ideas that could help people with somne very real problems they mention in relation to their dogs. 

But I'm starting to see that political correctness plays a bigger role in dog training than results ever could.  So I'm quite happy to train my dogs in ways that I know work. And leave others to struggle along in ignorance. 

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Whoa now!

Two strong willed breeds apparently owned by two strong willed people...this behavior on this forum MUST STOP NOW!

Repect each others views and training methods, every breed and owner is different as well as what type of training each dog needs

ORIGINAL: amstaffy

Whoa now!

Two strong willed breeds apparently owned by two strong willed people...this behavior on this forum MUST STOP NOW!

Repect each others views and training methods, every breed and owner is different as well as what type of training each dog needs

Fair enough.  I'm willing to apologise.  Not willing, I do apologise.  I only made some points about how to deal with some strong-willed dogs and it seems to me that Im accused of all sorts of violence and ignorancel.  It kind of took me by surprise seeing as in meat-space, everyone wants a dog that acts like mine.  I'm happy to admit that Redyre's methods will work, if you stick to them. 

On a side note, I am increasingly of the opinion that the itty bitty Britty is 1/2 amstaff.  She sure is stubborn.

Thank you,
Having owned Rotties in the past and Am Staffs now, both breeds needed different training methods.
I agree with not allowing my dogs in dog parks for the same reasons as above, not that my dogs aren't sociable but I'm concerned about what the othr owners dogs will do and of course it would be shifted that my dog attacked.
 
I have two intact male Am Staffs traveling with me showing, one is mine one is a client. The client dog was very vocal and tried to be the alpha over my boy(who is older)  I do not allow this and he needed to know this. What I did was desensitize him through several low dose methods and never, ever was force used. They can both walk together next to each other as well as stand nose to nose to receive treats.
 
Different dogs, different needs...we can all learn from each other new methods but the delivery must be acceptable

You really are the voice of reason.  My own mongrel bitch is very dominant.  But I got her on a "forget it" command that has her just ignore whatever she is looking at when she hears it.  The thing I like best about her is walking her on a lead with my wife's friend's teacup poodle.  Even tho that poodle is completely untrained and it can take us 10 minutes to cross the road.  People just trust her in that situation.  And if they were aware of the subtleties they would trust her in all situations. 

If I had to deal with 2 unneuterred males I would not for a moment make them see the hierarchy my way..  I would let the peices fall where they will.  After that I 'd be demanding a truce that don't involve me in their little set-to. And working in with these dymamics while insisting on a stress free dog experience for myself is something I think that most people could asuccessfully aim for. 

I'm sorry for getting a little carried away with myself there.  I really only want to learn and help others while I'm here.

ORIGINAL: britney
If I had to deal with 2 unneuterred males I would not for a moment make them see the hierarchy my way..  I would let the peices fall where they will.  After that I 'd be demanding a truce that don't involve me in their little set-to. And working in with these dymamics while insisting on a stress free dog experience for myself is something I think that most people could asuccessfully aim for. 

 
See this is another place where we can differ and maybe learn, I will not let my dogs tell me who is who when there could be an issue of aggression, in this case the younger male was showing small signs of aggression towards my dog. My boy will NOT voice his retaliation nor will he show any animal aggression.
These tow dogs were crated next to each other in wire crates, newbie was vocal I put a towel between the two crates, still a little noice and I simply used an "ut uh" or a "NO, Rocco" while driving, they had no choice they had to be there. Through the trip we pottied them one at a time praising each when they went back in their crates. When we arrived at our destination, 300 miles later they came out again, one at a time and pottied while my son took the crates in the hotel. Once in the hotel the newbie again got a little vocal going into his crate without the towel, the towel was again put between the crates. Through out the evening I would let the towel come down, little by little and treated both dogs through the crate, first one then the other praising while good, voicing "utuh" when not. In the morning both dogs came out of the crates at the same time, one with my son, the other(newbie) with me. We all went out side near each other. Both dogs went into the van, no noise, we got to the show and they both walked together. I have continued to reinforce the good behavior now with praise and kisses...LOL!
It is fun when standing ring side with my boy and my son with the newbie and I am feeding both of them with liver or beef heart. I will bait them together and they are praised for behaving good when together, the reinforcement is for the good behavior they are not working for the food, they are working through the food. I hope I have worded this correctly through my story so you can understand what I am trying to say []

ORIGINAL: britney
I'm sorry for getting a little carried away with myself there.  I really only want to learn and help others while I'm here.

That is the beauty of it all, you're hear to learn and will, as well as share.
Not every technique or method is right for every dog or breed, we have to be open minded to see, listen and try new methods. I generally will start with very low techniques such as praise and treats, I work my levels up depending on the response/rejection I receive. I have used many different techniques on one dog at one time. I am not a trainer or behaviorist, just an open minded owner who knows what has worked on my individual dogs through different methods compliled over years.
 
I hope you too will continue to share your experiences, ups and down, good and bad.