Nature's Logic food

    • Gold Top Dog

    Nature's Logic food

    Hi all:
    My company has picked up a Nature's Logic foods.  I'm impressed.  Just wondering what you think.  Doing my homework by see what "the pro's" think.
     
    Here's their venison formula.  Check out [linkhttp://www.natureslogic.com]www.natureslogic.com[/link] for the rest of their formulas.
     
    Natural Venison Meal Dinner Fare
    CRUDE PROTEIN (min.)........36.0%
    CRUDE FAT (min.)..................15.0%
    CRUDE FIBER (max.)................6.0%
    MOISTURE (max.).....................9.0%

     

    Probiotics
    Total Microorganisms* (min)……….2,000,000,000 CFU/cup (Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Lactobacillus Casei, Bifidobacterium Bifidium, Streptococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Sporogenes)

    *Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO Dog or Cat Food Nutrient Profiles.
    Enzymes
    Protease (Ananas Comosus ) 168.4 Tyrosine units /min /cup
    Amylase (Aspergillus Oryzae) 0.43 dextrinized starch units / min / cup
    Lipase (Aspergillus Niger) 2.07 µmol fatty acid / min / cup
    Cellulase (Trichoderma Longibrachtium) 8.91 µg glucose / min / cup
    Bromelain (Ananas Comosus) 891 µg tyrosine / min / cup

    *Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO Dog or Cat Food Nutrient Profiles.
    Ingredients:
    Venison Meal, Millet, Lamb Meal, Safflower Oil, Montmorillonite, Brewer#%92s Yeast, Flaxseed, Dried Egg Product, Spray Dried Chicken Liver, Pumpkin Seed, Animal Plasma, Kelp, Natural Flavor, Cottage Cheese, Suncured Alfalfa Meal, Egg Shell, Avocado, Chicory Root, Tomato Powder, Almonds, Spray Dried Cod Liver Oil, Apple Powder, Blueberry, Apricots, Carrots, Pumpkin, Cranberry, Broccoli, Spinach, Parsley, Artichoke, Rosemary, Fermentation Products (Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product Dehydrated, Lactobacillus Casei Fermentation Product, Bifidobacterium Bifidium Fermentation Product Dehydrated, Streptococcus Faecium Fermentation Product Dehydrated, Lactobacillus Sporogenes Fermentation Product Dehydrated), Enzymes (Amylase, Protease, Lipase, Cellulase, Bromelain), Mixed Tocopherols
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    • Gold Top Dog
    While it does look like a good food, just seeing animal plasma on the label freaks me out.
    • Gold Top Dog
    That, and the fact that the website says "for supplemental feeding only"  ...that scares me
    • Gold Top Dog
    Looks like a kitchen sink food to me.

    "Nature#%92s Logic not only meets, but exceeds almost every minimum requirement for amino acids, vitamins, and minerals listed in The Association of American Feed Control Official#%92s (AAFCO) Nutrient Profile for Dogs and Cats."

    Not in a million years would I give it to my dog.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Bromelain.....haven't I seen that ingredient listed in meat tenderizing products ? Isn't that an enzyme that breaks down tissue to a degree to make it "tender"  ewwww what would that do to a dog inside? ewwww.  double ewwww. and not the sheep...[;)]
    • Gold Top Dog
    It is a plant based digestive enzyme found in pineapple.
     
    Here's an excerpt from this site: [linkhttp://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsSupplements/Bromelaincs.html]http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsSupplements/Bromelaincs.html[/link]
     
    "Digestion
    The protein-digesting enzymes found in bromelain help promote and maintain proper digestion and may relieve symptoms of stomach upset or heartburn, particularly when used in conjunction with other enzymes such as amylase (which digests starch) and lipase (which digests fat). Similarly, an animal study suggests that the antibacterial effects of bromelain may help to control diarrhea caused by bacteria."
     
    Of course, there is alot more info about it on the link above.
     
    Where I can see a few things that are if-fy for *me*, overall, I think pet owners could do alot worse than this food.
    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: papillon806

    That, and the fact that the website says "for supplemental feeding only"  ...that scares me

     
     
    Here's Natures Logic's response to that statement (it's on their FAQ page). You have to read through alot of  explainations about AAFCO/NRC stuff, but they do finally answer the question.
     
    "
    In a recent nutrient analysis of Nature#%92s Logic#%92s Dry Canine Chicken Diet, it was found to exceed all AAFCO nutrient minimums of amino acids and contained all other vitamins and minerals (listed in the AAFCO Nutrient Profile) from 100% food without the addition of any chemically synthesized vitamins or minerals. Of the AAFCO required vitamins and minerals, 19 out of 23 exceeded the AAFCO minimum requirements. One vitamin found naturally in small amounts in the diet but not meeting the AAFCO minimum requirement was Vitamin D. The AAFCO minimum level is 500 IU/kg which would be hard to meet with any food. Nature#%92s Logic does not intend to ever use chemically synthesize Vitamin D to meet this AAFCO nutrient profile for two reasons. The NRC, in its book, “Vitamin Tolerance of Animals”, plainly states that Vitamin D is not required in the diet if sufficient amounts of sunlight are received. Adequate sunlight results in the production of sufficient vitamin D from the skin - naturally. Nature never intended for animals or humans to consume chemically synthesized forms of Vitamin D, but nature did intend humans and animals to be exposed to sunlight. If one chooses not to expose their pets to some needed sunlight, the alternative is to risk the supplementing of chemically synthesized Vitamin D. Some of the hypervitaminosis (vitamin toxicity) associated with over exposure to chemically synthesized forms of vitamin D in dogs are hypercalcemia, cardiovascular and nephrocalcinosis and increased blood pressure. Isn#%92t sunlight better?
    Nature#%92s Logic chooses not to meet the AAFCO nutrient profile using potentially dangerous chemically synthesized forms of vitamins and minerals. [linkhttp://www.natureslogic.com/testing/faq/pdf/vitaminmineral.pdf](Click here to see research and results of animal testing of synthetic vitamins and minerals)[/link] All Nature#%92s Logic#%92s foods exceed the AAFCO nutrient profile on all amino acids and also exceed the nutrient profile on most vitamins and minerals. The few that do not exceed the AAFCO minimums are present in the diet, but may be slightly lower than the AAFCO nutrient profile. In the case of vitamin D, it can be argued that it is not needed. With the others it can be argued that AAFCO may not be correct in their requirements because data is admittedly, insufficient. It can also be argued that even though a few vitamins or minerals may be slightly under the AAFCO minimum, the smaller amount of natural nutrients from food sources are more bioavailable and safer than a larger amount of chemically synthesized nutrient forms. NRC research does indicate that a number of the synthetic forms of nutrients are not readily absorbed and utilized and some can even interfere with the absorption of other nutrients.
    It is Nature#%92s Logic#%92s position that its diets will be proven to supply more than adequate nutrition for all life stages. All AAFCO required nutrients are present in all Nature#%92s Logic#%92s™ diets and most are exceeded. But because just a few, like Vitamin D, do not exceed or meet the AAFCO minimum, Nature#%92s Logic is required at this time to use the statement, “Nature#%92s Logic#%92s™ diets are intended for intermittent or supplemental feeding only.” At the time of this writing, Nature#%92s Logic#%92s™ diets are in their 12th week of a successful all life stage feeding trial. Upon completion of the trial, the feeding trial adequacy statement will be used on future Nature#%92s Logic™ packaging."
    • Gold Top Dog
    Natural Venison Meal Dinner Fare
    CRUDE PROTEIN (min.)........36.0%

     
    That's a bit high. I'm used to seeing that percentage, along with fat, on a racing food. So, you would have to be careful not to overfeed. Perhaps that's why they say it's supplemental.
     
    • Gold Top Dog
    I don't care what their FAQ page says....just sounds like an excuse to me; vitamin D IS needed in the food. Besides that, the fiber is very high and so is the protein...I just don't think it's worth the risk: a company w/ no history of success behind their products.
    • Gold Top Dog
    LOL, I take Bromelain almost every day. It's not harmful, at all. It's in many digestive enzyme and anti inflamatory products.

    I'm afraid of the "animal plasma", too, even though I've read about it.

    Why do you need a vitamin D supplement if you're spending normal amounts of time in the sun? Do dogs not make their own vit d?
    • Gold Top Dog
    I think many dogs do not get enough sun.  the little chis next door are out 3 times a day for about 5 minutes each time --in the shade.  I suspect this is true of many smaller house dogs, only out long enough to do busines and this would surely apply to those living in apartment buildings in huge cities.  i think larger dogs are probably walked, but the smaller ones are not--how could you walk a 2 pound chi on the sidewalk in NYC without it being stepped on.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Since vitamin D cannot be harmful in excess, it is better to have it in their diet just to be sure they are meeting their requirements ("better safe than sorry").
    • Gold Top Dog
    I thought I had read once that dogs cannot or do not synthesize vit D as easily or as much as humans do. Ergo, the supp. Just as humans cannot synthesize vit C but dogs do in their liver.
     
    • Gold Top Dog
    Thanks guys and gals.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Since vitamin D cannot be harmful in excess, it is better to have it in their diet just to be sure they are meeting their requirements ("better safe than sorry").


    But they *do* make it, if they're outside for a good bit?