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ORIGINAL: willowchow   Again, if you were all set with the food, why bother asking something you already are decided on??  And, then say everyone is being rude when the responses are not what  you want to hear. 

 
The unedited OP was by Juji was:
 

Hi:
Does anyone here use Abady dog food? If so, which formula? I have a dog with a sensitive stomach and this food was recommended to me

 
I see two questions in the OP.  The second question only applies to those if you can say “yes” to the first question.   I can answer the second question.  Obviously those feeling the need to interject some negative opinion are unsolicited negative opinions.  If you can#%92t respond yes to question one, why would people bother to comment at all other than negative vibes?  I think some of you hit the nail on the head; there is an anti Abady cult?
 
Glenda is right; I don#%92t jump in on the vast amount of threads asking “what to feed”.
I suggested it once to someone have trouble stating they#%92ve tried everything and I that turned out to be a big mistake.  I don#%92t even bother to offer suggestions anymore to those having problems with finding the right food.  Next thing you know your accused of being a distributor, having a link, shoving it down their throat, etc.?  Who needs to waste the time and effort, not me.
 
So…I happen to notice someone comes along looking for other Abady users, I responded and this is what happens?  Not even a welcome to group other than your food sucks and this is some kind of conspiracy?  Think about it…would you come back to this group?
 
Juji, welcome to the group and nice to see you decided to stick around.  If you want, I can post the ingredients for you of the new Classic formula granular.  Not sure when you last bought a box, but there is no more corn, replaced with Pearled Barley and oats.

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People were not bashing you, they were answering your question to the best of their ability.  Just because people didn't tell you what you wanted to hear does not mean they are bashing.

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First of all, it's a public board.  As long as they are following the rules, then people may reply as they wish.  You question was not "Who thinks Adaby is terrific?"  You were asking about a dog with a senitive tummy and people were answering you.  That is the nature of a message board.

no one really gets labeled as being "anti Pedigree"

My guess is that the general feeling is Pedigree is a cheap food along with being considered crap content.  So, why bash someone for being "ignorant and poor".  (And please know I would NOT say that about someone feeding Pedigree, I'm just using that to poorly paraphrase the impression given by some of the responses we read.)
 
Abady is an expensive premium food that many still consider crap.  The presumption there seems to be - "You went out of your way and paid that much money for that crap?  You believe that crack-pot Robert Abady?!"  Generally people seem more comfortable bashing "stupid" than "poor".
 
I didn't have any bad experiences with the kibble - Gracie was in great condition.  The reason I changed was I could no longer conveniently buy it, and the idea that the quality control in their raw was questionable concerned me.  At the time I had no idea there was such a huge Abady hatred.  There were plenty of other premium foods available, so I switched.
 
Charlie - I give you respect for sticking up for yourself and your original posts here.  They didn't seem unreasonable to me, either. 

ORIGINAL: sillysally     First of all, it's a public board.  As long as they are following the rules, then people may reply as they wish.  You question was not "Who thinks Adaby is terrific?"  You were asking about a dog with a senitive tummy and people were answering you.  That is the nature of a message board.

 
Wrong, the questions were who feeds Abady and what formula...the rest is again unsolicited negative opinion.

they were answering your question to the best of their ability.

 
I think only a few truly did that - by Charlie saying yes he fed it and which formula, and the others like Stacey who suggested other foods to try for a dog with a sensitive stomach, and Glenda who explained her use of Natura foods.
Somewhere along the way it became accusatory in a way that seemed reasonable to some, and minorly disrespectful to others.

ORIGINAL: miranadobe     Charlie - I give you respect for sticking up for yourself and your original posts here.  They didn't seem unreasonable to me, either. 

 
Thanks Miranadobe.  Did you say you were feeding the Abady Kibble?  I have never tried either one, (All star or New Frontier) but have thought about maybe picking a bag just to see how it goes.  No problems with the food other than it became more difficult to come by?

Nope, no problems, and it was the New Frontier formula.  And, yes more difficult to buy and I was concerned that the quality controls in the raw processing leaking over to the kibble processing.
 
I'm not a dog nutritionist - there are quite a few on idog who are.  Perhaps it would be helpful for someone with that background to explain the facts behind why Abady is considered bad content.  (As opposed to bad quality control.)  This is a public forum, so opinions abound.  I tend to listen most closely to those opinions with proven facts to back them up. 

CC---

#1---You'll noticed that I didn't offer an opinon ONE WAY OR THE OTHER regarding the product itself.

#2---You're right when you quoted the OP question, then she went on to type in her next post this---after the 1st post, this is very odd---

  I know a lot of you don't like Abady, but I have to say, the man is right.  From my personal experience in feeding my dogs, kibble or cooked, digestion, activity level, skin and coat for my dogs were not good. Lots of digestion problems with cooking and some kibbled foods, coming out in the stools undigested, hair falling out, despite following perfect guidelines. But, Abady says that a lot of foods have saponins, beet pulp, peas, oats,tomato pomace, alfalfa,garlic and too many grains which can
be harmful to dogs.  Well, from my experience he's right. He does make sense. I used to feed his food a while back, but was concerned too about the ingredients and thoughts behind it all, so I switched to other brands and cooking, my dogs did better on Abady, I learned the hard way.  Please know, this is just my personal experience.   Sorry if anyone doesn't agree.  The company makes over 40 formulas, not each one will be right for every dog. 
I just wondered what you all thought of the food and wanted to hear good results. 

And, here's the problem, right here, the last line,  she only wants GOOD results.  The rest is unsolicited and rude.  Whatever. 
 
Edited---AND, I guess I have the "right" to post here since I have fed Abady, right??

ORIGINAL: miranadobe

I was concerned that the quality controls in the raw processing leaking over to the kibble processing.

Ok, I don't know why the poster that I linked to in my first post felt the need to remove their experience after I linked to it, I hope no one attacked them. I do think it is important for anyone considering this food to know that dogs did get salmonella from it.

And as I said originally, I don't understand how these ingredients could help a sensitive stomach. I think that there are lots of better formulas out there for sensitivities, even excluding Natura products if they don't work for the OP's dogs. ETA: Did the person who recommended it have a specific reason?

ORIGINAL: miranadobe

Perhaps it would be helpful for someone with that background to explain the facts behind why Abady is considered bad content.

I'm not an expert, but I do consider Mordanna to be one. I appreciate the fact that she does her research on her dime, with nothing to gain. www.dogfoodproject.com

I don't understand how these ingredients could help a sensitive stomach.

Honestly, I feel the same - I wouldn't think the high fat/protein would be good for a sensitive stomach, either.  But I'm not a nutrionist.  Someone help us out here.  It's like we ended up with 3 different topics. 
Is Abady good for sensitive stomachs,
Is Abady even good at all,
And the concern that someone was posting leading/fishing questions to something they seemingly already had their answer to in order "set the rest of us up".  (It's happened out here before, so understand those comments came from experience.)
 
Willowchow and everyone else out here has every right to post in response - whether they agree that Abady is good, bad, bad for sensitive stomachs, or whatever, if they have something to contribute.  The forum is for opinions, experiences and facts when possible. Willow's owner had a bad experience with the food - hence the link to the other thread.  She's passionate and cares about the health of dogs.  Please take it from the perspective that she wants to help the dog.

ORIGINAL: juji     Don't know how much longer, I'll stick around, rough crowd here, Goodness, ask a question and they rip you apart. I basically have dog food as my hobby, I do a lot of reading, too much probably, one thing seems to contradict another, that's why I asked the question to begin with.  ...Anyhow, yes you can let me know the ingredients in the Classic formula.  It's been a little less than a year since I tried it, I was using the kibble, then.

 
The big change occurred shortly before the Diamond thing and the corn, a good 6 months prior, Abady granular had moved off the corn products (kibbled yellow corn, gluten corn protein, etc.)  It was a good time to bail out of the corn I guess with a possible new market in the anti-corn people?  Turns out the Diamond things happens and dogs are getting sick.  Abady made the right call to get out of corn when they did.  A win-win for them.  Turns out to be a double whammy on the consumer.  Not only did we lose 200 points in cals per cup (850 to 650 roughly), the Pearled Barley is more expensive than whole barley.  Not only that, feeding requirements were adjusted accordingly, and what used to take say 1 cup would now take 1.25 cups
(roughly).  Not only are you paying a bit more, your dogs is consuming a bit more as well...going through a box slightly faster.
 
The remainder of the ingredients are pretty much the same starting off with CHICKEN BY PRODUCT MEAL!!
 
Let me know if decide what formula if you switch back... Classic?
 
Charlie