Feeding raw and kibble???

    • Silver

    Feeding raw and kibble???

    hi...just started reading the forums a few weeks ago and i have learned alot...i started feeding my 3 year old some raw but i didnt want to feed her all raw...my main concern is that i feed her a diet that is healthy and balanced with all the proper nutrients...ive been giving her some kibble mixed with 2 raw whole eggs and a slice of cheese in the a.m....then giving her raw for the p.m....is it considered to be ok to mix the meals like that? and does the first meal sound ok or is there something i should add to that or do a homecooked instead? thanks
    • Gold Top Dog
    Welcome to the forum!
     I take it from your login that you are owned by an APBT!!
     
    I feed my guys the RAW in the am and the kibble at night. I have had no issues mixing the meals but I do not combine RAW and kibble in the same meal.
     
    The eggs and cheese are OK to add to the kibble and i would also suggest some yogurt and cottage cheese to add in as well.
     
    I too worry about if I am giving them everything they should be getting so I only suppliment with the RAW. Even with the limited amount it has made a great difference in my dogs over the years. I do however feed a good quality kibble too, Canidae
     
    Laurie who is a member here has a great site with lots of fabulous info regarding RAW feeding
    [linkhttp://www.rawdogranch.com]www.rawdogranch.com[/link]
     
    • Gold Top Dog
    I personally feed my collie pup a blend of the two. She gets kibble in the morning, sometimes with a beat of meat mixed in.
     
    In the afternoon she gets either Raw only (chicken, beef, whatever I have available) or she gets a mix of both, about 30% kibble and the rest meat.
     
    I know there are members on this board who do home cooked meals and some who feed raw, and I think both options are great
    • Gold Top Dog
    I feed raw and kibble in the same meal with no problems. I mix about 6 oz of Eagle Pack Holistic Select with 6 oz of "A Place for Paws," raw combo of either chicken, turkey, or lamb and veggies. I also add their green raw tripe to the mix. This diet is working out great. I feed twice a day. I also give my dog an omega 3 fish oil capsule.
    • Gold Top Dog
    I feed the Nature's Variety Raw Meat Medallions and also kibble.  We are trying the rotation thing, but I'm finding that my rotation is varying in terms of days...when he's not hungry in the morning, I leave the kibble for the day.  If he devours the raw, then that's all he gets.  I have a finicky eater, but it's partly my fault.
    • Gold Top Dog
    I feed kibble and, now and then, cooked beef, chicken, turkey, and pork. The additional meat is not the main meal but extra goodies in addition to his food. It is the tradition of his breed, but I do it to spoil him rotten.
     
    • Gold Top Dog
    I just re-read this.  I'd definitely advice taking a peek at Lauri's web site.  I personally wouldn't feed that much egg every day - though they are good for your dog they are packed with calories and would be easy to overfeed.  My working BCs get the equivalent of one egg every two or three days.  I include the shell - just whirl it in the blender or food processor and pour over the food.  The cheese I'd also reduce to maybe one a week as a treat, or divide it to a sprinkle of grated every day.   Or change over to cottage cheese or yogurt, which is much better for your dog.

    Eventually, if you truly want to go raw, you'll start adding very small amounts of fresh raw meat.  Do it seperate from the kibble meal, but I don't feel it's 100% necessary if that doesn't square with your lifestyle.  I suggest chicken as being easy to digest.  By small I mean maybe one or two one-inch cubes of raw breast or a sprinkle of ground chicken if you can find it.  Over the course of a week, gradually increase this portion of raw meat up to a whole breast while you are decreasing the kibble.  Do this for at least another week.  The next week, offer a chicken wing with bone-in - smash the wing into bits and then cut in half.  Offer half wings every other day, then every day, for another week each.  Reduce the kibble again by about one quarter cup until you are down to half the recommended rate for your dog's weight.  Increase the wings up to half the recommended rate of feeding for your dog.  Buy a small kitchen scale - don't guess!  Start offering them whole.

    This will have taken about a month or more.  Now you should be feeding about half the recommended rate of raw and around half the recommended rate for your kibble, plus a little cottage cheese and your eggs.  You can now start playing around with other raw meaty bones.  Start with larger joints of chicken (have some fun with it - try a rock cornish hen!).   Pork is well accepted and widely available.  Beef has very few actual edible bones so can only be used occaisionally.  Goat, if you can get it, is just about perfect.  Rabbit can be expensive but if you can buy from a farm it is well worth it - hare truly is the perfect canine food.  Lamb is expensive and something that needs to wait until you are sure your dog is tolerating new foods well - it has a lot of natural fat - good for coats and joints but can be a shock to the newly raw-fed dog!  Ditto duck and goose. 

    If you get something that is too big and you can't divide it, simply feed it and skip the raw meal the next day.  Balance over time is the holistic feeders' motto.  [oops, the puppies were wrestling and slammed into me and made me accidently hit OK]  Do some research on "advanced" (lol) techniques like incorporating veggies and organ meats (offal).  [linkhttp://www.rawdogranch.com/]http://www.rawdogranch.com[/link] is a great place to start.
    • Silver
    thanks for all the advice...i think for now atleast i will continue with either the kibble mix or homecooked for the first meal and raw for the second...she has been ok with the chicken wings and legs...for some reason didnt wanna eat the chicken back i got her....until i rubded some fish oil on it....so far the only raw shes really been excited about has been the turkey neck...not sure why but thats clearly her favorite so far.

    i also read that it is important to feed some kind of organ meat once or twice a week...i really cant see her eating a piece of raw liver...how do most feed the organ meat?
    thanks
    • Gold Top Dog
    how do most feed the organ meat?


    My dogs wont eat raw offal of any kind! I either bake it in the oven on a very low temp for about 1/2hr,this is their favourite way,or i sautee it in a little garlic and olive oil. If the middle is still very raw they wont touch it,but light pink is ok,i dont think they like the runny squishy consistency [:'(]
    • Gold Top Dog
    If I'm remembering correctly, organ meat should comprise 5% of the daily diet.  And of course it doesn't have to be EVERY day but as long as it balances out over the week you're good.  Sheba will scarf down a raw chicken neck in a heartbeat, but wont' touch a raw liver.  When I do homecooked I simply puree the liver so that no one is getting the giant clumps and it's spread evenly through the pot.  My boys love raw liver and any other organ, and even Miss Priss will snap up raw heart without a second thot...but heart isn't an organ meat.
     
    Some dogs might need that sauteeing in the beginning and then switch over to fully raw, but some just don't ever eat raw organ willingly.  Then you've just gotta do whatever it takes to get it down them!
    • Gold Top Dog
    I too would love to have my dogs on a raw food diet, but doing straight raw food doesnt work for me, I would like to mix kibbles and raw.  We have a raw food distributor here and they told me that you can not feed your dog both dry and raw food, as it causes digestion problems.  Is this true at all???  Or do you think that it is a gimmik to try to get me to only buy their food???  They pre-grind up all of the meat for you and you just freeze it.  My main concern about feeding only the raw food is that there is nothing for my dogs to use their teeth on.  My one dog WILL NOT eat the bones.
    • Gold Top Dog
    We have a raw food distributor here and they told me that you can not feed your dog both dry and raw food, as it causes digestion problems.  Is this true at all???  Or do you think that it is a gimmik to try to get me to only buy their food???

     
    It's not so much a gimmick as it is a myth.  The myth is that raw food digests at a different rate that processed food (kibble).  According to the myth, the digestion rate of the raw is actually delayed by the kibble allowing the opportunity for harmful bacteria to develop. 
     
    Those that do not believe the myth (like myself) understand that all food digests at the same rate.  For those that don't believe this - I still say "so what"?  The body is smart enough to figure it out!  :) 
     
    Anyway - some dogs ARE sensitive to the combination of raw and kibble in the same meal and will have tummy troubles, most are not.   There is nothing dangerous about it though.
    • Gold Top Dog
    I feed Link FarMore Raw Buffalo every 4th or 5th day. The days in between are Solid Gold Wolfcub with half a can of Solid Gold Ocean Fish & Turkey. To me it's mainly for convenience. It's a lot more work to constantly keep the food in rotation between freezer and fridge, and then the servings aren't really conducive to using raw as a supplement. The one exception to that is Nature's Variety medallions, but that's some super expensive stuff.