Removed amaranth from Ocean Blue?

Oh, it wasn't from Timberwolf. She was asking about the digestive supplement that I mentioned ordering in another thread. It was the Wholistic Digest-All Plus.

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t's been 9 days since my Timberwolf order - absolutely nothing has happened.

Well I wrote them about it. I need you to send me your info so I can forward it to them and try to find out where your order is. 

 
 
I emailed you, Sharon.

Kelly, I think you absolutely nailed it earlier in this thread with your list of suspicious/shady practices of Timberwolf.

As much as I like the ingredient list I will NOT purchace their product again.

Geez, now I have to switch this poor little sensitive stomach guy AGAIN. He didn't do well on California Natural at all, so I was thinking maybe one of the simple Natural Balance formulas for him. What do you all think about feeding a puppy only 21% protein/10% fat?

What do you all think about feeding a puppy only 21% protein/10% fat?

Everything I've read says a puppy should have between 24-30% protein and at least 15 % fat.  The NB will not be nutritionally adequate for a puppy's growth.

Natural Balance says it's complete for all life stages. If it's safe to feed raw to puppies, I don't see why not NB. Raw is lower in protein. Most meats are around 17-20% protein, and if you add veggies, that lowers it more. 

Jennie,
 
How do I figure up how much meat my dogs are actually getting if I am homecooking and add in 1/3 meat to 2/3's veggies and starch?  So, that would be 33%.  But, you said meat was only about 20% of protein (I guess the rest is water?).   
 
So, would that be 20% of 33%?  So, that would only be 7% of protein?  I don't think that is right, is it?  The 33% or somewhat less meat amount added in is based on a homecooked receipe I have been using.
 
I just got in one of the books I want to read about nutrition - but I won't be able to start looking into it for a couple of weeks.  I will also have to start spending time with nutrition boards, as well.
 
On a different, but continuting topic, another book I just got in (tonight) was natural remedies for dogs by Martin Zucker.  In just glancing thru it - he seems to sum up Plechner's point of view and the types of testing he recommends for the endocrine testing (he is quoting from Plechner) --in just a few pages (which will be MUCH easier for my addled mind to comprehend!!).   I've been doing so much lately, that reading an entire book is daunting and I'm starting to want flowcharts to go along with life!!
 
Give Emma and Teenie a good hug from me and my guys....  : )

Canned food tends to be 7-9% protein, so I'm assuming that 7% is about right. There's nothing wrong with that at all. Everybody around here seems to think that dogs need tremendously high amounts of protein to survive. I disagree. The home cooked foods and raw foods that many of us feed are largely moisture. That's GOOD, b/c they need as much water as we can possibly get into them. It flushes out their systems, and keeps them hydrated. There is also some protein in the veggies that you feed. Counting just the meat for protein doesn't give you an accurate number. Also, meat has other good stuff that's not protein or moisture.

[linkhttp://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/cgi-bin/list_nut_edit.pl]http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/cgi-bin/list_nut_edit.pl[/link]
100 grams of raw, 75% lean ground beef has 58.16 grams of water. It has 15.76 grams of protein and 25 grams of fat. It also has 21 mg of calcium, 1.79 mg iron, 15 mg of magnesium, etc etc.

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100 grams of broccoli, frozen, chopped, boiled, drained , and unsalted has 90.72 grams of water. 3.1 grams of protein, and .12 grams of fat. It's also chock full of vitamins and minerals.

 The right way to figure the amount of protein in canned food is with a dry matter basis. Here's a web site explaining what it is and the formula you use :
                      [linkhttp://www.thepetcenter.com/imtop/dm.html]http://www.thepetcenter.com/imtop/dm.html[/link]
 
   There is also a government website that discusses this. A canned food that is 9% protein is about 45% protein on a dry matter basis, which is why canned food can be better for your dog.
   
    

FTR i used to regularly cook my dogs up some amaranth.Has anyone actually seen the plethora of nutrients it contains? It has just about everything,too much to write down here. I would not hesitate in using it again,it's just that my dogs arent keen on grainy stuff,otherwise i think it would be a healthful addition to the diet! Personally i do not see the big deal...

Has anyone actually seen the plethora of nutrients it contains?

Christine, you are exactly right. The thing is.... the people on this board are referring to an FDA statement that really has nothing to do with the way Amaranth is added to petfood. The FDA is first off referring to amaranth in it's SEED form [ Amaranth is NOT a grain, it is botanically a SEED, as is Quinoa,  with the nutritional properties of a grain, therefore it is classifed AMONGST grains. A large variety of  seeds contain chemicals which are called saponins and tannins. Seeds eaten RAW can contain amounts of these components that can build toxicity over time. It is almost certain that they are referring to raw seeds used in livestock feeds, bird feeds and poultry feeds which contain NON-COOKED ingredients and are mistakenly applying it to processed pet foods.  Also NONE of the tests studied have been conducted on dogs. They have all been conducted on rats and guinea pigs, again using raw forms of the seed.
    The reason that this does NOT apply to Amaranth's use in pet foods is because these toxins are easily removed by SOAKING or SPROUTING the seeds and are virtually DESTROYED by COOKING, thereby making it quite safe for consumption by human or animal.
   Amaranth is extremely high in calcium ( it contains more than the amount in 3 glasses of milk ), lysine, protein , folic acid and vitamin C. It is ranked #1 amongst all grains in nutrient content and protein and 2nd in fiber content.  It is one of the  the most complete and nutrient dense foods in the world , as well as being extremely versatile. It can be eaten as a cereal, made into bread or flour, used as a thickener, garnish or even popped like popcorn.  It is , in reality , the perfect food.

Hmm.... I should try some amaranth, LOL. Seriously, if it's that good....

Honestly jennie,the whole back of the pack was taken up with the nutrient profile.I have NEVER seen any 1 product that contained so many excellent nutrients!

Obviously the amaranth contained in pet foods is cooked,so there should be no problem.I would be actively looking for a food that contained amaranth,rather than avoiding it []

I wonder what it tastes like. I'm seriously going to have to try it. Sounds like it'd be great to have for breakfast. If it's that packed with nutrients, not much could be better.

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Has anyone actually seen the plethora of nutrients it contains?

It is , in reality , the perfect food.

Then why did Timberwolf quit using it?