dog wont eat raw

ORIGINAL: mudpuppy
Anyone in this day and age who thinks a bag of super-processed preserved food contains everything an organism needs for lifelong optimal health is extremely naive.

Read the research. It's shocking. Prepared foods have been formulated to keep 8 out of 10 dogs alive for six months.
 
Where did you read that? 
 
Calling me naïve in your post just b/c I believe what I#%92m doing is right for my dog, is rather petty.  My next sentence was “certainly any prepared pet food diet can be augmented in moderation with an occasional bit of raw meat”.  But you left that part out.
 
 FYI    I had 3 large dogs in the 70#%92s.    When Hill#%92s Science Diet as it was known then came out and at that time was a premium pet food, all 3 were fed this diet.  One lived till 17 yo and the other two till 16 yo with no health problems except for old age, so I don#%92t see what all the fuss is about.  Sure today#%92s diets have really changed and for the better I might add, but to say the food is formulated to keep a dog live for 6 months is ridiculous.
 
I am not interested in this thread anymore, feelings will be hurt.   I will say I can#%92t wait for the companies that are producing ‘prepared#%92 raw foods that a lot of you buy to go public with their stock, as I will make lots of money.  Go for it.
 
Please note my replies are just my humble opinion, I am not trying to change anyone#%92s way of feeding. I was asked the question  “Why I don#%92t feed RAW” and I guess my mistake was replying.    Everyone has to decide what is best for their own dog(s) and other pets.  
 
 Have a nice day ladies and gentlemen. 
 
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Read the research. It's shocking. Prepared foods have been formulated to keep 8 out of 10 dogs alive for six months.

Where did you read that?  did you read that?

Pat, I think it's the requirement by the AAFCO for feeding trials ; 8 dogs are fed a kibble for 6 months ; 6 are required to complete the trial. All that's required from the food is that the dogs don't lose more than a small percentage of their body weight.

And feeding raw doesn't even have the requirements of an AAFCO guideline.

And once again, in vain, I will suggest a read of Dr. Newman's feeding trial and five year study, to be found at [linkhttp://www.azmir.com]www.azmir.com[/link].  She is, BTW, an holistic vet. And once again, no one will read it to even comment on it. And, once again, I would like to see some other people pony up some money and do some AAFCO style feeding trials with raw, though it would have to be based on one recipe that can be analyzed.

For most people, their decisions are based on anecdotal evidence. This has done well so they stick with it. That has done well, so they stick with that.

I also find it interesting that several people,  some of whom are consistently ignored and insulted, have had old dogs that ate evil kibble all of their lives. And others who, until that last few years, fed their old dogs evil kibble and then, all of a sudden, decided that wasn't good anymore. Like a conversion to a religion.

I recently met a woman with a female siberian husky who has eaten "dog food" all of her life and has never had "human food" (her words). The dog is 16 years old. That is two years past the life expectancy of a siberian husky. Not bad for evil kibble.

Then, again, there are some here who have had an ailing dog live past it's dire prognosis, eating raw or slightly cooked.

I read that statement as written, did not know it was only a partial statement. 

I read that statement wrong

 
 You quoted it right; I think mudpuppy misstated the number of dogs required for the feeding trial unless she was referring to something else. I think a blanket statement like that is unfair because there are at least some companies who do more than the minimum feeding trial requirements by the AAFCO; for example, Eagle Pack's Large/Giant Breed Adult formula was tested on several litters of Great danes before it became available for sale:
 
         [linkhttp://www.greatdanelady.com/articles/adult_feeding_program.htm]http://www.greatdanelady.com/articles/adult_feeding_program.htm[/link]

And once again, in vain, I will suggest a read of Dr. Newman's feeding trial and five year study, to be found at [linkhttp://www.azmir.com.]www.azmir.com.[/link] She is, BTW, an holistic vet.

Ron, have you tried the link you posted? It doesn't go to the right site; at least it didn't when I tried it. I think this is the right link:   [linkhttp://www.azmira.com/StudyRawFoodDiets.htm]http://www.azmira.com/StudyRawFoodDiets.htm[/link]
 
                        

Well I for one can't handle any dairy products and with a diabetic child sometimes we have to go with the way he has to eat. When it comes to grains, veggies, dairy, and fruits.

Jennie, are you sure you arn't part rabbit? No grain, no dairy, no milk!  what you eat sounds like what I use to feed my mini lop earred rabbit that lived to be 10 years old. LOL. He got carrots, lettuce, apple peel every day, with varied other stuff.
 
Seriously, I do love fruits and veggies, but I want a little meat and I sure want milk and ice cream.  I can't image not eating home made bisucits with butter, home made peanut butter cookies, chocolate cream pie with home made crust, donuts,  Dang, I am getting hungry talking about all these good things.
 
As a rule I do eat far more salad and veggies than I do meat because i like them, not just because they are good for me.  Tonight for example, I ate left over chicken gizzards from when my kids took me out to dinner yesterday.  With them, I ate a huge bowl of salad, and a bowl of microwaved "baby pea mix" which is a combination of green peas, snow peas, baby corn on the cob, and baby carrots.  I didn't even mess with the fries I had brought home.
 
Surely I misunderstood that quote that most dog foods is formulated to keep dogs alive for 6 to 8 months or something like that, can't remember the exact wording.  I mean, we fed our pointers and setters Purina dog chow their entire lives and had many live to be 12 to 15 years old.  And back then we didn't have all the advanced technology that keeps many dogs alive today that would have died back then. I never heard of of a dog on meds for thyroid back then, or meds for seizures, etc.  Dogs were not given sups for joints, etc.  And it was not just our dogs that lived to be old guys and girls.  One of my Uncle;s pointer, came down with distemper and survived.  She had a permanent "tic" or jerk afterwards, but I think she was about 11 when she died.  And she hunted to the end.  I know several that lived to be rather old. And on Purina or like dog food that was around "back then.:"
 
 

Thanks.
 

Uhhh, I'm sorry, but cooked food is not as healthy as raw food,

 
For years all we ate was canned veggies in my family. We didn't have a freezer, just a small freezing compartment which held ice cubes. My mom did buy fresh veggies also when in season and we had a summer garden..but small enough for just a few things..nothing to be saved for eating in the winter. We are all healthy as can be.  We ate cooked everything except fruit.   Most of the world in my area did just the same with the same results.
I had two dogs that lived a long long time on grocery store foods, a giant breed that lived to about 13 and a pitty mix that lived to 17.  NOT premium food.
Sorry, but I just don't believe that people OR dogs eating raw are any healthier then I am or my dog who is eating premium kibble. Besides she gets a mix of other things thrown in. Its just something that one thinks they are doing that is good. And that is all you can do, do what you believe is best.  I think what Glenda does is great, I know that I couldn't do it properly,,,so I will do the next best thing which is what I am doing.

And once again, in vain, I will suggest a read of Dr. Newman's feeding trial and five year study, to be found at www.azmir.com. She is, BTW, an holistic vet. And once again, no one will read it to even comment on it. And, once again, I would like to see some other people pony up some money and do some AAFCO style feeding trials with raw, though it would have to be based on one recipe that can be analyzed.

 
   I  read the study some time ago and read it again in response to your post. Anyone feeding raw is likely to question her impartiality because she sells supplements and food, especially since the animals in the study that faired the best were given her supplements. They would also question how well the raw diet was formulated. I did find it very interesting that the majority of animals on the raw diet suffered declining health while the other groups faired much better.

The only down side of it is that her supplements are used rather than any other brand. But the feeding styles were, I think, important. And I would hope her study would inspire others to conduct a feeding study and that she showed it could be down without a congressional budget.
 

But the feeding styles were, I think, important. And I would hope her study would inspire others to conduct a feeding study and that she showed it could be down without a congressional budget.

 
  There are many important elements to this study; it was done on nutrients that enhance the immune system and build tissue, particularly protein derived from animal tissue, and the best feeding method for animals to assimilate the nutrients. It compared feeding a premium kibble with supplements, feeding a home cooked diet with no supplements, and feeding a raw diet with no supplements. I was surprised at how poorly the animals fed the raw diet fared even though it was the prevailing raw diet recommended at the time ; her theory that evolutionary changes to the digestive tract of domesticated pets compromises their ability to digest raw food definitely warrants further studies, especially given the rising popularity of raw feeding.

Jennie, are you sure you arn't part rabbit? No grain, no dairy, no milk! what you eat sounds like what I use to feed my mini lop earred rabbit that lived to be 10 years old. LOL. He got carrots, lettuce, apple peel every day, with varied other stuff.

Most rabbits eat pellets Grains and hay are healthy, for them. My bunny foo foos only lived to 7 1/2 Unfortunately, I was not able to find a vet who would spay them, and they both succombed to cancers.

I'm a heck of a lot healthier than I was in the past. I'm at a great weight, my skin is the best it's been in years, and my hair.... I love my hair. I've never even *liked* my hair. It's all diet. I'm exersizing about the same (a lot.... but, about the same), drinking the same ridiculously small amount of water, and doing most other things the same. My diet is changing, and I see incredible changes in my health. My allergies had gotten so bad, my own dogs were starting to trigger reactions (which is BAD BAD BAD), and I could hardly eat without being sick. Now, I can eat most anything I want (long as it's not dairy, LOL, I only miss cheese!), snuggle a cat (I'm allergic to cats WAY worse than dogs!), and spend the whole day outside, in the dry pollon, and be fine.

Diet is so important, for all of us. I really feel strongly about that, and the more I learn, the more "weird" I get. I've decided that I have all this knowledge, and there's no reason my dogs should eat better than I do, so I've cut the crap out of my diet. Our diets are drastically different (theirs are meat based, mine is almost completely vegetable, with the occasional egg thrown in), but the idea is the same. Fresh food is better. Grains and dairy are bad for us. The fewer fertilizers and pesticides, the better. The more antioxidants, the better. We like berries, a lot

Now, I've written a book that's totally unrelated, LOL. Oh, well....

My mini lop earred, Mr. Rabbit did eat the rabbit pellets, but he much prefered the carrots, lettuce, apple peel and grass.  I took him out of his hutch and let him loose in the back yard on nice days (we have a 6 foot wood privacy fence with cement poured along the bottom) and he loved it.  He had developed arthritis in his back legs and had trouble scratching his ears, etc.  He LOVED a warm bath.  I would put in in a little tub of warm water (in the house, always) and just pour water over him.  Had to keep one hand under his chin as he would fall asleep and dip his chin/mouth down into the water.  I always dried him and let him be in the house until totally dry.  He was such a darling.