Does anyone else feed Abady?

     Thanks for the replies. I did a search, and I see a lot of hostility toward this company. I don't see why. His formulas are right on the box like everybody else. There isn't any secret formula. The company doesn't seem very Internet savvy. It looks like they sell nearly all of their food through privately owned feed stores. If your buying at the store just check out the label.
     I don't have any problem feeding my dogs by-products as long as they are easily digestible. My dogs go nuts for this stuff and are very healthy. It is similar in cost to other premium feeds. The state of the art stuff is really costly. Since I feed 500+ pounds of dogs I don't use it. If I had a toy breed, I might try it. I use 2 40 pound boxes of classic a month. It costs me about $130 monthly to feed my 4 giant breed dogs. I don't feel thats outrageous for quality food.
     I know everyone has their favorite feed. I've looked at many, and there several very good formulas out there. I use Abady because of the low fiber levels. I feel all that fiber contributes to bloat.
     Why the strong negative feelings?

ORIGINAL: Bobsk8
It's a pretty expensive food made from less than expensive  ingredients.  

 
Are ingredients important, Bob?  []

Ed, Brad, move over.

oh good.... hope you brought the grill... we already have snacks and drinks! []

ORIGINAL: chelsea_b

Hey Charlie? Do you buy Abady by the cup? I've never heard of buying dog food by volume, but the only way your logic makes sense is if it's sold by volume. Just curious.

I get about 90 cups out of a 40-pound box, that will last me 3 months.

Louie, in all honesty I wouldn't bother here with this group.  You will just run into criticism, and not even constructive criticism.  content removed
type diets that make your dog want too[sm=vomit03.gif]  you can find a lot of constructive feedback on, but not Abady.

And heeeeeere we go.

I get about 90 cups out of a 40-pound box, that will last me 3 months.

 
You missed my point. Unless you buy the food by volume, the fact that there are 800 calories per cup has nothing to do with cost. You buy 40 lb boxes. I figured this out before, and the most calories per kg the food can have is 5000. That's a lot, yes, but I doubt it has that much. Probably more like 4500.
That's 2000 per lb.
80,000 per box that you, I think, said you pay $90 for?
$1 for ~900 calories.
 
Let's compare that to, oh, say, Innova.
Innova has 1900 calories per pound.
~63,000 calories per 33 pound bag.
Price is around $40.
$1 for 1575 calories.
 
If you're like me, you'll pay however much for a food that you like and your dogs do well on. But don't use cost-efficiency as a plus for Abady, because it's not.
 

ORIGINAL: louiereck

     Thanks for the replies. I did a search, and I see a lot of hostility toward this company. I don't see why. His formulas are right on the box like everybody else. There isn't any secret formula. The company doesn't seem very Internet savvy. It looks like they sell nearly all of their food through privately owned feed stores. If your buying at the store just check out the label.
    I don't have any problem feeding my dogs by-products as long as they are easily digestible. My dogs go nuts for this stuff and are very healthy. It is similar in cost to other premium feeds. The state of the art stuff is really costly. Since I feed 500+ pounds of dogs I don't use it. If I had a toy breed, I might try it. I use 2 40 pound boxes of classic a month. It costs me about $130 monthly to feed my 4 giant breed dogs. I don't feel thats outrageous for quality food.
    I know everyone has their favorite feed. I've looked at many, and there several very good formulas out there. I use Abady because of the low fiber levels. I feel all that fiber contributes to bloat.
    Why the strong negative feelings?

In the dogfood market today, almost every  manufacturer of dog food that is reputable has a web site and somewhere on the website, the ingredients are clearly listed. It would appear that Abady has gone out of his way to keep the visitors to his web site from finding out what is in his food.  I would suspect that this is because the ingredients are less than top notch, especially for what he is pricing his food at.  So the way you have to find out the ingredients is to order a bag of it......[sm=crossfingers.gif]  I don't think many people are going to go for that.. He has also refused to provide his ingredients to the Dog Food Project web site. 

http://therobertabadydogfoodcoltd.com/index.html

ORIGINAL: chelsea_b

I get about 90 cups out of a 40-pound box, that will last me 3 months.

You missed my point. Unless you buy the food by volume, the fact that there are 800 calories per cup has nothing to do with cost. You buy 40 lb boxes. I figured this out before, and the most calories per kg the food can have is 5000. That's a lot, yes, but I doubt it has that much. Probably more like 4500.
That's 2000 per lb.
80,000 per box that you, I think, said you pay $90 for?
$1 for ~900 calories.

Let's compare that to, oh, say, Innova.
Innova has 1900 calories per pound.
~63,000 calories per 33 pound bag.
Price is around $40.
$1 for 1575 calories.

If you're like me, you'll pay however much for a food that you like and your dogs do well on. But don't use cost-efficiency as a plus for Abady, because it's not.

Excellent math!!! 

  You missed my point. Unless you buy the food by volume, the fact that there are 800 calories per cup has nothing to do with cost. You buy 40 lb boxes. I figured this out before, and the most calories per kg the food can have is 5000. That's a lot, yes, but I doubt it has that much. Probably more like 4500.
That's 2000 per lb.
80,000 per box that you, I think, said you pay $90 for?
$1 for ~900 calories.

Let's compare that to, oh, say, Innova.
Innova has 1900 calories per pound.
~63,000 calories per 33 pound bag.
Price is around $40.
$1 for 1575 calories.

If you're like me, you'll pay however much for a food that you like and your dogs do well on. But don't use cost-efficiency as a plus for Abady, because it's not.

 
 
I appreciate your efforts to try and break it down the best you can, but I your numbers are off (inaccurate information) and you have another variable I'm sure you didn't consider, actually several.
 
Food is sold by weight, not volume.
 
Abady "classic" formula calculated calories Per Pound is: 2143.7      Per 8 oz measuring cup: 794.5
 
Your variable which is clearly wrong is the cost.  The $90 box of food is probably State of the Arts formulas (also probably a 35-pound box).  Classic formula cost $65 for 40-pounds.  If you are going to apply $90 formula numbers which I can only ballpark would be in the neighborhood of 1400 cals per cup. 
 
Knowing that should help you run your numbers with a bit more accuracy.  It may be helpful to know that posted on the box it states: One standard 8 oz cup holds approximately 5.93 oz of the Abady Classic...
 
Keep in mind, the weight per standard cup of the State of Arts products will also be different (heavier).
 
Cost effective?  I think so...routine shots only, and for my dogs weight class (50-pounds) combined it cost me a little over 20 bucks a month to feed.
 
BTW, do you know off hand how much a standard 8 oz. cup of Innovo weighs? ...anybody with a food scale?
 
 
 
 

80,000 per box that you, I think, said you pay $90 for?
$1 for ~900 calories.

Let's compare that to, oh, say, Innova.
Innova has 1900 calories per pound.
~63,000 calories per 33 pound bag.
Price is around $40.
$1 for 1575 calories.

Classic:  Calories per box.... 85748
at $65 per box ...if I did this right...   $1 for 1319.2 cals


[sm=no%20no%20smiley.gif] no supplements...no additives...no weird skin problems...no meds...not sending the Vets kids to college

I know the 'no meds' if a tough one to grasp.  Look at it this way.  The food is designed to be appropriate for feeding carnivores, therefore species appropriate.  When you can achieve this you promote self-sufficiency.  Dogs in the wild don't need meds, their diet promotes self-sufficiency.  Abady fed dogs don't need meds either because the diet is good enough to promote self-sufficency...therefore no meds...it's really very simple.

Any raw feeders have your dogs on meds?

Abady is certainly not the most cost effective food on the market. That would probably be Old Roy from Wall-mart. The only point we're trying to make on cost is that Abady Classic is about the same cost to feed as other high quality foods. Not cheaper just comparable.[8|]

ORIGINAL: cc431
Any raw feeders have your dogs on meds?

I did!
When my dog was on an all raw diet she was on meds because she got a HORRIBLE skin infection.

oh, and her hair started thinning.
Not to mention I was feeding darn near 3 lbs. of meat a day to keep weight on her.[]

Somehow I have the feeling on some of these posts, that I am reading material that a marketing department created........It's like reading a script for an infomercial....[]  weird.......

ORIGINAL: chewbecca

ORIGINAL: cc431
Any raw feeders have your dogs on meds?

I did!
When my dog was on an all raw diet she was on meds because she got a HORRIBLE skin infection.

 
 
     I had them on antibiotics every few months for eye & skin infections when they were on 100% raw ... oh, yeah, and lets not forget the seizure control meds for the one dog who we later learned could not tolerate 95% of the raw foods he was eating [sm=sad.gif] Now feed cooked foods with grains but still use supplements - no meds tho.
     While I'm not feeding it at the moment, to compare, I had no dogs on meds, supplements, etc. when the pack was on Purina ONE. The old Eukanuba formula was the best food I ever fed, yet everyone told me ingredients were crap. Ingredients are only the icing on the cake - the foundation that holds a food together is the precise BALANCE of nutrients. I've never fed Abady, don't know what the ingredients are, may or may not be tempted to one day try it out. I do think there are very mixed feelings in the dog world regarding Robert Abady - its either love him or hate him - and much of that sentiment is spilling over into his food, whether it is deserved or not. I don't blame him for not posting the ingredients on the dog food project or similar websites. They can RUIN the reputation of an awesome food just with a few narrow minded posters who have never had to feed a kennel full of dogs & know nothing about nutrition that isn't propoganda related. Not speaking about anyone here, but saying it does happen frequently on the internet.