Need help finding a healthy, weight control food

ORIGINAL: whtsthfrequency

People have tried losing weight for years in the US, by eating high carb, low protein diets, and guess what, the US is fatter than ever.

Then how do you explain the fact that the healthiest people in the world eat high carbohydrate, low rotein diets? I.e. vegetarians? Mediterranean diet?

 
Mediterranean diet - It believed to cause lower mortality due to:  more fruit and vegetable consumption (antioxidants), lots of fish (omegas) and olive oil (monosaturated fat).
 
The diet in the US is unhealthy for many reasons, including overeating, little to no excercise, polysaturated fats, sugar and other refined carbs (empty calories), and too much dairy.  It goes way beyond a high carb, low carb issue.  The same gluttonous, lazy lifestyle of convenience (over feeding poor quality foods, too many table scraps, no exercise) has passed on to our dogs and that is why they are unhealthy and obese as well.

ORIGINAL: mudpuppy

Feeding dogs foods doped up with "filler" didn't make them any less hungry.

 
It's more for the owner than the dog.  Most people feel that if you're not filling your dog's bowl to the top you are starving the poor thing.

Jenns - that is my point. Carbohydrate content cannot be blamed for everything.  Many things come into play. Whether it is a low carb or a high carb diet, it is the diet as a whole that is important.

Bobsk8 and I each gave an example of a high carbohydrate diet - an unhealthy one, versus a healthy one. Therefore, you can't say that if it is high carb, it is by definition unhealthy and obesity-inducing.
 
My feathers just get ruffled when people blame everything on carbohydrates and say they are these terrible things that are making all dogs and people fat. Dogs are fat?? Must be the high carb food!!! NO, it is a combination of MANY things.

The dog's energy level is higher with the higher protein food, so they burn more calories during the day

And if the dog has no way to burn that extra energy from the high protein, they end up converting it to more calories and act more hungry.  []

The majority of the public who switch to a high protein weight-loss food forget that they still need to exercise their dog. 

ORIGINAL: whtsthfrequency

People have tried losing weight for years in the US, by eating high carb, low protein diets, and guess what, the US is fatter than ever.

Then how do you explain the fact that the healthiest people in the world eat high carbohydrate, low rotein diets? I.e. vegetarians? Mediterranean diet?

They don't eat high glycemic highly refined carbs that are totally deficient in any nutrients.  They also eat legumes and when combined with healthy carbs , protein with all the amino acids are produced. In addition, soy is a common ingredient in the diet, which is high in protein. 

ORIGINAL: mudpuppy


I'm not at all surprised that dogs lose weight on Fit n trim. If you feed your dog sawdust, he'll lose weight. Does he get healthier?  seems so unlikely. Just because dog is thin doesn't mean dog is healthy.  

LOL  []

ORIGINAL: jenns

ORIGINAL: mudpuppy

Feeding dogs foods doped up with "filler" didn't make them any less hungry.

It's more for the owner than the dog.  Most people feel that if you're not filling your dog's bowl to the top you are starving the poor thing.

My vet recommended my free feeding my dog when I adopted her last year. My vet  is a good vet, but what he knows about nutrition on a scale from 1-10 is about a negative 27.  Anyway, if I had followed his advice, my dog would look  like a Killer Whale with a tail.....[]  As it is, she typically walks about 4 miles per day.  

Whoa.  Bobsk8, slow down and read back a few posts. You're making my point for me.

They don't eat high glycemic highly refined carbs that are totally deficient in any nutrients.  They also eat legumes and when combined with healthy carbs , protein with all the amino acids are produced. In addition, soy is a common ingredient in the diet, which is high in protein.

Exactly. It is not the AMOUNT of carbs, it is the quality. You cannot lump all high carb diets into the unhealthy category and you cannot lump all low carb diets into the good category.Obesity in dogs does not have to do wholly, or even in the majority, with carbs. If you stick a dog on a high protein diet, that will not solve all its weight problems. NB - Many of the plant sources of protein in dog food are also designed to provide a more complete amino acid  rofile, such as mixing soy/corn/wheat/rice, etc.

Why does every topic have to turn into a Purina bashing?  I don't tell folks to try it, I don't even really suggest it, i just report how my dogs do on it and next thing I know i am told I am feeding them garbage, junk, "sawdust" and given those useless ingredeint lists.  I don't read ingredient lists, I read my dogs, and have for years and years.  Not one of you Purina bashers has ever seen my dogs  in person.  I have posted pictures showing their healthy, glowing coats and not one of you purina bashers have comment that they look good.  Others have, but not you Purina bashers.  Bob  and a few others are always saying they know a Purian, Iams, etc dog by it's poor coat, his smell, the grease in it's fur, etc, egc.  But then someone posted the reason dogs on poor food have nice coats is because something is sprayed on them to enhance their coat.  It can't be  both ways.  STrange, dogs on high end food look good because of the food, dogs on lesser food food look good (except to a few of you) because of some ingredient sprayed on the food .   Which ingredient is it.  You all should know them by heart bcause you have pzsted them so mny times. 
 
Maybe i should say those top name foods are crap because they habe made several dogs on this forum and others sick.  My Buck got sick.  But I don't say that because some dogs do great on them.  And I  know you will never admit it, but many, many dogs do great on Purina, Iams, Euk, etc. 
 
By you description of our dogs eating the "donuts and cokes" meal their entire life, or McDonadls meal, and being so unhealthy, our dogs should be dead at 5 or 6.  And yours on the perfect food should live to 60.  I should have spent millions at my vet in 50 years of owning Puriina dogs as I take them if they sneeze twice or limp across the room.  Not so.  my vet bills have been knee surgery, spays, neutters, snake bites, heartworm treatment, reactions to vax & wasps, snake bite, etc.  And not one of those things were caused because my dogs were unhealthy and ailing. 
 
 
You can bash Purina and post ingredient lists all you want to.  I see and know my dogs, feel them, sleep with them,  I know Purina works for them. And I do not like the insuations that if i really cared for my dogs i would feed them something else.

ORIGINAL: jenns

ORIGINAL: sandra_slayton

I don't know what your problem is with Purina, why you hate it so and always have to put it down, but it works great for my dogs, always has and with all the recalls, mine stayed on Purina One with no problems at all and I trust purina more than i would trust some of those upper end foods due to things that have come out during the recalls.

We seem to be forgetting that Purina also had recalled products. No it wasn't Purina One, but all the companies involved had some products recalled and many that weren't.  And Purina was directly buying wheat gluten, and continues to buy wheat gluten and other ingredients, from China themselves.  They say on their website that while they will be closely monitoring the suppliers from China, but they will not stop sourcing ingredients from China. What if these suppliers start secretly adding another substance that Purina is not routinely testing for? That is how they got away with the melamine contamination.  People always talk about the exceptional quality control of big companies like Purina, yet who knows how long Purina was putting contaminated products on the shelves without knowing? Just like the other companies involved. Bobsk8 fed and trusted Natural Balance and then the recall happened.  You've had great experience with Purina, and the recalls happened and you still say you trust Purina more than other brands.  There are plenty of brands that were not involved in the recall and have tested and confirmed their products to be free of melamine, and Bobsk8 switched to one of them.

I just see an inconsistency in your posts where you always talk about how you don't trust any company, and you are criticizing the pet food industry for the recalls, and then I see all these posts from you about how much you trust Purina, even when pets were dying from their products.

 
Purina was the first company to up grade their testing facilities to detect melamine.  So, really, they are safe from melamine.

ORIGINAL: ottoluv

Sure make the dog loose weight fast by feeding him cancer causing ingredients.

Huh?  Like what exactly?

 
artificial colors in large amounts - as in feeding it every day for every meal.
 

artificial colors in large amounts - as in feeding it every day for every meal.

 
I agree it's not needed, but there is no evidence it causes cancer.  That is just hysteria.  There are not large amounts of artifical colors even in poor quality foods that use them.

I agree with ottoluv...they aren't needed but people tend to freak out and think everything causes cancer...
 
And Sandra makes a good point....I bet that 90% of dog owners worldwide feed what many would consider here to be "trash" food. So...why aren't all of these dogs dying at 3, 4, 5 years old? Why doesn't the vast majority of owned dogs in the world look badly, pathetically malnourished?
 
But I'm sorry all...that is my last point, I'm off this threa....so many of these conversations go awry and I'm just contributing to it...eh.

No human diet can be free of naturally occurring chemicals that are rodent carcinogens. Of the chemicals that people eat, 99.99% are natural."
— Bruce Ames, Ph.D. and Lois Swirsky Gold, Ph.D. University of California, Berkeley
 
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I bet that 90% of dog owners worldwide feed what many would consider here to be "trash" food. So...why aren't all of these dogs dying at 3, 4, 5 years old? Why doesn't the vast majority of owned dogs in the world look badly, pathetically malnourished?

 
90% of the people world wide also eat what we consider by-products and we would never consider ever feeding those to our dogs because by U.S standards they are not human grade, yet those people have healthier diets than we do.