Dog foods tainted ...

    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: MelissaDiscerningDog

    You will have to dig for it but it is in the wikipedia itself which states the quality of Authourity dog food is a compromise of quality...

    [linkhttp://www.google.ca/search?q=%22Authority+is+a+bridge+dog+food%22]http://www.google.ca/search?q="Authority+is+a+bridge+dog+food"[/link]


    And if it's in Wikipedia it just HAS to be true [8|] [sm=rofl.gif]
    • Puppy
    Well....I can't exatcly find thier website or thier ingredient list anywhere... so it's all I have to go off of...
    • Gold Top Dog
    Agreed, Authority is not a bargain basement crap food, nor is Nutro.  I feed neither, but they are not the same quality garbage as, say, Ol Roy......
     
    I'm not sure why anyone would think that we of this forum are not alarmed and disturbed by the recall?
    • Gold Top Dog
    WHO is saying "oh well"?  Who is not upset, worried and ready to strangle someone over this?  Yes, I will point a finger at the manufacturer and at the companies who BUY the food, but at the pet owner?  No.  Most do NOT know any better.
    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: MelissaDiscerningDog

    If you want to pretend like something scientifically mysterious has happened which has killed pets then fine.... but I know mass produced corporate bargain brand dog food is crud...



    Actually, yes I do want to pretend like something scientifically mysterious is happening because EVERY test is coming up negative. After 5 days of extensive research by the entire veterinary community and the food companies, we still have no answers. Every fungus known to contaminate foods, and every known nephrotoxogenic contaminant has been tested.

    Now tell me again, what exactly is killing these dogs? Oh yeah, thats right, we DO NOT KNOW! And until we do know, I'm going to take a step back, encourage people to get their pets bloodwork checked, and wait for the EXPERTS to tell me what happened. Anything else is just a guessing game...

    Please read my thread "food recall update" if you have any other questions, or feel the need to make any more assumptions based on heresay and rumors.
    • Gold Top Dog
    [color=#cc6699]I went back and read the post and I can definitely see why you thought it was Eagle Pack's response, because it was added at the end of the same paragraph.
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    Sorry for the misunderstanding!  :(
    I put Johns in italics...but should have put it in a different color perhaps~
    • Gold Top Dog
    Now tell me again, what exactly is killing these dogs? Oh yeah, thats right, we DO NOT KNOW! And until we do know, I'm going to take a step back, encourage people to get their pets bloodwork checked, and wait for the EXPERTS to tell me what happened. Anything else is just a guessing game...


    Awww, c'mon MissKiwi - you know it's all a conspiracy by The Man. They knew about this all along but decided it was more important further Thier Corporate Agenda. Now if I could just figure out how they're benefitting from this...

    Unless... it's product tampering by animal rights activists that want to euthanize all the pet "slaves" and save them from their miserable existences! Yeah that's it!

    No! How could I miss it! It's an obvious ploy by the Premium pet food manufacturers gain free publicity and terrorize pet owners into purchasing their products.

    (Just in case you're wondering - the above theories are entirely sarcastic and completely tongue-in-cheek) [:D]

    It's not that I don't take the problem seriously. I just don't take media-hype and baseless speculation very seriously. It's one of the many side-effects of working for a newspaper.
    • Gold Top Dog
    These recalls are alarming, but it can happen to almost any company or any food (animal and human). Small, large, corp or independant. It's almost like spinning a wheel and where every that pointer lands is anybody's guess.

    No company is safe:

    (for example)

    Apparently, the food is now being made in Texas instead of Canada and there are serious problems and the food has been recalled:

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Painted Sky Farms aintedskyfarms@ixpres.com]>mailto:paintedskyfarms@ixpres.com]
    Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:23 AM
    To: ColoradoBARFERS
    Subject: [ColoradoBARFERS] GO NATURAL DOG FOOD ANSWERS FROM TESTS


    PLEASE CROSS-POST SO THAT ALL PEOPLE WHO GOT THE FIRST POSTING ON THIS FOOD NOW HAS THE SAME ANSWERS I NOW HAVE.

    As of today I received confirmation of the levels of heavy metals in the Go Natural dog food we had independently tested. Those tests reveal high levels of the following heavy metals:

    Metal Normal PPM Go Natural Dog Food Tested
    Copper 7-10 ppm 42.4 ppm
    Iron 140 ppm 431 ppm
    Zinc 80-130 ppm 625 ppm

    The University of Missouri, in conjunction with the University of
    Michigan, who performed the testing, reported on these metal contents as follows:

    "What appeared to be the most significant was that Iron (Fe), copper (Cu), and zinc (Zn) were all present in concentrations significantly greater than what is reported to be normal in canine diets. The concentrations of Fe, Cu, and Zn in this sample of dog food were 431 ppm, 42.4 ppm, and 625 ppm respectively. The normal ranges for these three metals are reported to be 140 ppm, 7 to 10 ppm, and 80 to 130 ppm respectively".

    Also detected, but not felt significant at this juncture was an
    insecticide of ant origin called Iridomyrmecin. The report stated as
    follows:

    "A sample of dog food was sent to the Animal Health Diagnostic
    Laboratory for GC-MS analysis. Iridomyrmecin was detected in the dog food by a computer match only. Little is known about this compound other than it is an insecticide of ant origin. Further testing can be done to determine the amount of this compound in the dog food, but its significance, at least for the time-being, is presumably less than the measured concentrations of Fe, Cu, and Zn in this dog food."

    It was recommended "it may be advisable to consult with a canine
    nutritionist on the significance of some of these concentrations of metals."

    The findings of the lab are in alignment with the heavy metals test
    performed on our 2 1/2 year old who is ill. She had elevated copper and iron levels. Iron being the highest concentration level. She is being tested again tomorrow to see to what degree the heavy metals are leaving her body.

    Although Petcurean is still not willing to admit that they have a
    problem with their food (at least not to me) they have stated, both to myself and other individuals, they have done a complete voluntary recall of all products made at the Hereford, Texas plant which started manufacturing food for them in July of this year. To date, I have seen nothing publicly posted of this recall. It was reported to the vet in Oakland that the recall would be on the news tonight - I waited until after the last news tonight to see if I found anything but I did not - I am not sure what area that was done in - if in fact it was done. Someone needs to inform their distributors that all products have been pulled because as of this afternoon I know of one distributor who wasn't informed of this occurring.

    I am aware there are still those who wish to "cooperate" with the dog
    food manufacturer and give them the "benefit of the doubt". However, I am finding this extremely difficult after three dead dogs, one other dog still not recovered and may never be "recovered", five other dogs testing strange. You add this to the false statements that they have perpetuated such as a virus is what our dogs died of - such as I am a disgruntled breeder who they would not give away free food to (and they say we have done this before to other dog food companies) - the intimidation factor of one breeder that by doing what I am doing that we are "through in the dog world", etc. I don't find it very easy to "cooperate" with them any further. I will leave that to others. If they were cooperating they would have had their testing done by now, they would have pulled their food before they had 12 confirmed dead and they wouldn't be spreading their false statements.

    We informed Petcurean of these test results within half an hour of
    getting them - in one final attempt to cooperate - immediately after
    talking to them they called another individual who is cooperating with
    them - informed that individual of our findings - that cooperating
    individual then contacted the University of Missouri and informed them I was saying there were lethal doses of rat poisoning in the food. At NO time was the term "rat poisoning" ever mentioned in our conversation with any individual. Not sure if this is a case of someone not realizing the information would get back to me promptly, if it was someone trying to play games with test results, the dog food manufacturer setting up the other individual to see where loyalties laid, or just a simple case of the old game of "telephone" where you can tell one person something, who tells another, who tells another, and at the end the story is completely different. I would hope for the love of dogs it was the last.

    From the start I have said if my posting saved one animal from dying or one owner from going through what we went through, then it is worth any price to pay be it in the world of showing dogs or a law suit from the pet food company - it would be worth it. Well I got that today when someone wrote to me, that I had not previously heard from, and said they had lost one dog (mysterious unknown liver disorder) before they saw my post and they took their other dog off of Go Natural when they read my post. They figured "why take a chance". That dog is fine and doing well. It is a boxer who is in a pet home in the Bay area. It was worth it!!!!! So those who want to can try and destroy me in the dog world
    (what is left after the unnecessary destruction of four of our dogs) -
    or the pet food company can sue me. The first question I will have to ask is what portion of my deceased dogs do they want if they prevail?

    Petcurean confirmed today that they have 12 dogs that have died that were eating Go Natural. I do not believe this count includes the
    notification I got tonight of a few more. Petcuran also informed me
    that they still do not have their "heavy metals" testing back yet. They have had 5 weeks to do so. Petcurean has also confirmed that they will be contacting the insurance company of the plant in Hereford, Texas that manufactured the food. When I asked who their agent for service was in the United States they informed me that we would have to serve any complaint on the "distributor". Really confused here - what does the distributor have to do with the "contents" of the food? They receive sealed bags, they resell those bags - where is their liability?

    I am looking for an independent canine nutritionist if anyone can refer one please contact me privately. This is the next and final step in connecting the dots in the death of our dogs (and it is believed
    others). Since Petcurean is receiving copies of all of my posts from
    someone, please make your responses to this inquiry for a referral private.

    Thank you for sharing in the tragedy and unnecessary death and illnesses of our dogs, the e-mails of support, prayers and sympathy have truly been comforting. There is light at the end of the tunnel as to what happened to our dogs - hopefully soon they will be able to rest in peace.


    So, we all need to be thankful that we are educated enough to make smart buying choices when it comes to our family and pets and just hope and pray that the wheel doesn't land on us any time soon.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Whoa! When was the Go! Natural incident?

    Edit: Nevermind! I read the email header!
    • Puppy
    Wow... I will eat my words...

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/10/25/BAG5R2JDFA1.DTL

    Maybe dog food just isn't safe period... Maybe we can not afford... nor to we care enough to feed dogs like we feed ourselves...

    I should have done my research before I touted Petcurean as higher quality product...

    However, this does not convince me that the current pet food recall is not directly related to low quality ingredients... It is suprising that they can not figure out what it is... but it is obvious that it is the Wheat Gluten... Now if only they would stop putting Iron Oxide in dog food...
    • Puppy
    I wonder if the Petcurean incident was more of an intentional crime rather than a quality standards problem... either way... it does not matter... with this track record... there will be more food recalls in the near future... who dies next will be left for the corporations to decide...
    • Puppy
    I mean... does it worry anyone that it takes 1 year and three months from the date food is manufactured for your pet until it reaches your front door? This has got to be typo right?

    ageregion=A5>http://realtime.com/realtime_news/rt_top_stories/13874980_pet_deaths_expected_to_rise_despite_recall_fda.html?pageid=nandu.text-asset&;pageregion=A5

    "Health officials were not able to say whether this was the largest-ever recall of pet foods. A recall of products in December 2005 manufactured by Diamond Pet Food involved half of the United states and more than 20 countries, they said."

    Maybe this article this article deserves to be in this thread too...

    http://www.hua.org/Cooking.html

    • Gold Top Dog
    I homecook for my dogs.  How does that keep them safe?  How does the food I buy from the grocer or the farm market absolutely GARENTEE that there are no toxins or stuff that shouldn't be in it?  I majorly jonesed for spinach for weeks, but no one was selling it......human food is as easily tained and missed as is dog food, so how the heck is using people food promised to be safer?
     
    I grow a lot of my own veggies, and I garden organically, but there is stuff in the air, perhaps stuff in the soil, maybe in the water, certainly in the rain that falls from the shy.....so even my homegrown stuff isn't absolutely without a doubt safe.
    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: glenmar

    I homecook for my dogs.  How does that keep them safe?  How does the food I buy from the grocer or the farm market absolutely GARENTEE that there are no toxins or stuff that shouldn't be in it?  I majorly jonesed for spinach for weeks, but no one was selling it......human food is as easily tained and missed as is dog food, so how the heck is using people food promised to be safer?

    I grow a lot of my own veggies, and I garden organically, but there is stuff in the air, perhaps stuff in the soil, maybe in the water, certainly in the rain that falls from the shy.....so even my homegrown stuff isn't absolutely without a doubt safe.

     
    You are 100% right Glenda!
    Another point to add would be the "recipes" that new homecookers are going to use. You are very well versed in homecooking for your dogs and know how to balance everything, but there will definately be a threat of malnurishment with all the "newbies" homecooking and not knowing the correct proportions of ingredients and V/M to add.
     
    • Puppy
    I will search for all the human food recalls and we can compare them to the number of pet food recalls... I think that would give us a good answer so long as we take the population in relation to the amount of food produced into consideration...

    I know... you will bring up mad cow... and I believe entire herds were slaughtered to combat that problem... I will guarantee you nothing will change as a result of this incident... Mass Produced Dog Food will continue to poision animals for many many years to come...

    Who will argue with me on that?