Thinking of switching to raw diet

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    Thinking of switching to raw diet

    I have an 8 month old newfoundland puppy. I was reading a couple of days ago about studies that showed how people noticed a major difference with the number of health problems the dogs didn't get when they switched to a raw diet. They said there was no skin allergies, ear infections etc. and it reduced the risk of getting hip and/or elbow displasia. I plan to feed her meet and vegetables and bones(raw and probably chicken wing or neck bones). But the question I need an answer to is how much are you suppose to feed them? She weighs 35kgs at the moment and is currently being fed eukanuba large breed puppy food.
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    Rawdogranch.com is a good place to start. I think you normally start at 2-3% of their body weight, daily, for an adult dog. For a puppy, you might feed a bit more. My dogs are adults, but they're pretty active, and they eat more than that. Emma eats (I just calculated it, and I'm VERY amused!) 8.8% of her body weight. She is three years old, very active, very lean, and very muscular. She also has issues with processing food. She has to eat more than normal, because she doesn't break it down properly. Teenie eats 6% of her body weight. She's 10 years old, and an active toy sized dog.
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    Thank you very much for that info. I have decided that i want to try it because since newfies are not a particularly healthy breed and it's extremely bad for them to get over weight, I want to try this diet since you do know exactly what goes in it and there's no added stuff or preservatives and color. Thanks again[:D]
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    HI! here are some links that should be helpful
    [linkhttp://www.rawfed.com/myths/index.html]http://www.rawfed.com/myths/index.html[/link]    -dispells some myths about raw diets
    [linkhttp://www.rawlearning.com/]http://www.rawlearning.com/[/link]           -just a warning she is a bit of an "extremist"
    [linkhttp://www.njboxers.com/faqs.htm]http://www.njboxers.com/faqs.htm[/link]    -50 most FAQs
    [linkhttp://k9joy.com/education/feedyourdog.php]http://k9joy.com/education/feedyourdog.php[/link]- dispells some myths with links and some info about calcium/phos ratio which is very important
    [linkhttp://www.volhard.com/holistic/artbywv.htm]http://www.volhard.com/holistic/artbywv.htm[/link]   -some info about a planned diet I belive there is a member on here who is feeding this plan to her dogs, but I'm not sure who it is.Anybody know?

    Hope it helps you!
    edit to add- there are in disagreements in the communtiy of raw fed dogs some believe they are strict carnivores like cats and some belive they are omnivores. my personal opinion is that dogs are indeed omnivores though I belive they are classified as carnivores, Jake and sophie love some raw fruit. But they do not eat grains , which are completely unnatural, vegetables and fruits however dogs and wolves enjoy quite a bit!
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    Thanks so much! I'll check out all the links! I also think dogs are omnivores(If thats how you spell it, sorry if it's not).
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    You can think that dogs are ominvores, but the truth is that they are NOT. The only greens (like fruits or veggies) they receive in the wild is that in the stomach content of their prey. MY moms dogs never get any vegetables (except for when they the rare table scraps[;)]) and my Border Collie gets a base mix, which is dehydrated vegetables. It's Preference, made by The Honest Kitchen. I only feed her the base mix, which is mixed with mostly meats, because I feel it may be beneficial to her health. But because I feel some vegetables may be beneficial, doesn't mean that they're ominvores.

    We (meaning humans) are omnivores by nature. If you look at our dentition, we have teeth in the front for tearing, and teeth in the back for grinding. Canids have all pointy teeth, designed for tearing and ripping. For more informaiton, [linkhttp://rawfed.com/myths/omnivores.html]http://rawfed.com/myths/omnivores.html[/link]

    Reasons of of rawlearning.com why NOT to feed premade diet (which I agree % with)
    1. The food is not presented in a "natural state" - dogs need to have their food presented in as natural state as possible. When you deviate from this, you decrease the benefits of an appropriate diet.
    2. There have been a small number of cases where dogs have had impactions caused by the glob of pre-made and ground food hitting their stomachs, before their digestive system has had time to produce the necessary chemicals to process the food. ***(eh...probably true, but not on a regular basis)
    3. It is invariably based on the incorrect premise that dogs are omnivores. Dogs are carnivores and yes, it does make a difference!
    4. The food contains [linkhttp://www.rawlearning.com/supplementmyths.html]unnecessary supplements[/link].
    5. It contains food your dog doesn't need - many pre-made foods contain things your dog doesn't need (they don't say this on the label though, do they!)
    6. You cannot be assured of the processing procedures used
    7. It is far cheaper to go down to your local butcher or supermarket and get your supplies *****(you can do a co-op, so you get it WAY cheaper)
    8. You know exactly what goes into your dog's food when you get it yourself
    9. When you get your dog's meals ready yourself, you can make adjustments yourself
    10. Your dog should not have a "balanced" meal everyday. It should vary. "A daily balanced diet" is great as a sales pitch for pet food companies, but does nothing for the health of your dog.
    Here are some websites that are pretty good on info:

    [linkhttp://www.rawfeddog.net]Raw Fed Dogs[/link]

    Rawfed.com (darn, all ready posted)

    rawlearning.com (darn again)

    If you're wondering what the heck you're supposed to feed your dog, it's really quite simple. Organ meat and muscle meat. Organ meats are kidneys, livers, hearts. These are all necessary to keeping your raw fed dog healthy. These can be hard on a dogs stomach and cause diarrhea, so feed small pieces the size of your pinky combined with some muscle meat and start to decrease to the amount of muscle meat and increase the amount of organ. Muscle meat is breast, brisket, legs, necks, shanks... A dog should consume a lot of bone. At least  fair sizes every week, preferably every day. These bones should not be weight bearing bones like knees or marrow bones. I don't EVER give weight bearing bones as a treat, but I give raw marrow bones. The types of bones I feed for meals are from drumsticks, chicken wings, necks, hocks and shanks. About twice a month I feed whole rabbits. Raw fed dogs has a wonderful [linkhttp://www.rawfeddogs.net/Recipes]recipe[/link] page, mixed with some humor. It has a list of meats, but you don't need to feed all of it. This is a list of what I feed my dogs, varying each week:

    Chicken livers
    Chicken giblets
    Chicken quarters
    Whole cornish hens
    little bits of beef liver
    lamb kidney
    lamb shank
    lamb liver
    Whiting
    Salmon
    RAbbit (occasionally, as its expensive)
    Peanut-butter oatmeal treats with ground turkey centers( I make them myself)

    I may feed whatever kind of meat is on sale, but this is on my grocery list on meat day. About once a month we head over to the grocery store, buy everytihng on the list, go home and package everything in meals and stick it in the downstairs freezer. At meals time, simply defrost the meal and pop it in the crate.

    Wow, my hands are getting kind of crampy. I'll try to post later if I'm not overwhelming you yet[sm=biggrin.gif]
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    I won't argue about their teeth. their diet should definitley contain much more meat than vegetable/fruits but they do enjoy it. just a note if you feed a pre-made raw make sure it's not too high in bone content many pre-mades contain too much bone sophie eats [linkhttp://www.primalpetfoods.com]www.primalpetfoods.com[/link]   and northwest naturals pre mades. and every once in a while(1 a month) she'll and jake will get raw recreational bones. she hasn't had any rmbs lately due to her food allergies.
    good luck with your pupper he/she is sooooo cute just like a bear! 
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    If you're going to be feeding premade raw to your newfie, you should consider using a glucosamine supplement. NaturVet makes a pretty good one ([linkhttp://www.naturvet.com/listingview.php?listingID=23]link[/link]).
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    No we won't be feeding a pre-made one, I don't think it's great. Thanks for all the advice
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    I can refer you to my mom...she knows a lot more about raw then me, but I know enough to spread good info[:D]
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    The only greens (like fruits or veggies) they receive in the wild is that in the stomach content of their prey.


    I disagree, just from watching my dogs. The winter rye grass has popped up, and Emma grazed until her belly was full, this week. Both of my dogs pick up fruit off of the ground, and pick veggies off of my plants in the spring. Emma will go out in the pasture, and dig up sweet potatoes to eat. Silly dog.

    I hope you aren't feeding raw salmon. That's not completely safe....
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    ORIGINAL: jennie_c_d

    I disagree, just from watching my dogs. The winter rye grass has popped up, and Emma grazed until her belly was full, this week. Both of my dogs pick up fruit off of the ground, and pick veggies off of my plants in the spring. Emma will go out in the pasture, and dig up sweet potatoes to eat. Silly dog.



    I agree, I have seen my dogs do the same. They also pick up pecans that have fallen off the tree, crack the shells and eat the nut. Of course, they still prefer meat and eggs over these other things.
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    I only feed smoked or quickly pan fried salmon. I don't feed a lot of fish, since it's high in mercury. I feed fish oil when the don't get the actual fish.
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    ORIGINAL: belgmal_girl

    I only feed smoked or quickly pan fried salmon. I don't feed a lot of fish, since it's high in mercury. I feed fish oil when the don't get the actual fish.


    I'll post this so that you have it for the future. Sooner (Kelly) posted it a while back and I use it when I go grocery shopping for Ella.
    [linkhttp://www.oceansalive.org/eat.cfm?subnav=bestandworst]Ocean's Alive: Best and worst seafood choices.[/link]

    Hope this helps!
    I couldn't live without fish in Ella's diet since it's one of the foods she digests SO well.
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    Isn't heart considered muscle meat than oragan meat?