Merrick

I'm not saying you didn't find a construction staple in your can of food Willow

ORIGINAL: chewbecca

ORIGINAL: ottoluv

Um, where did anyone say lori was lying? Again, My point and I believe the point of the others, is one incident does not make a quality control problem, the rusty nail, etc....hasn't been proven and no one is able to produce any evidence of quality control issues. But, if you feel better demonizing a company and suggesting people should not feed it without good evidence well then carry on....Remember, there are real people behind these companies and it just doesn't seem right to spread rumor that could potentially hurt them if you don't KNOW it's true.

Um, here...

I agree with you jojo, is there actually any evidence that this is true and not just internet paranoia like all those beneful warnings that came out a couple weeks ago that were bogus?

Maybe the words "Lori is lying" didn't come off the tip of your fingers, but a STRONG implication that you thought that is evident in the above quote.

No she nor I did not say that Lori is lying.  I am saying that I don't believe the poster a while back that said that they found a rusty nail in Merrick's treats.  And, I don't see anywhere where Ottoluv said that Lori is lying.  I don't believe the whole rusty nail thing because no one in my business, including Merrick's sales reps or upper management have heard about it.  I'm the only one who's heard about it and that's only because she/he posted it on this forum.

ORIGINAL: jojo the pogo

ORIGINAL: sooner

So, there are nails in their products, but that poster must be lying?

ORIGINAL: jojo the pogo

We distribute the 2 largest "body part" dog treat companies, Redbarn and Merrick. Both have had nails found in their body part products... Again, just about every "body part" treat company has had a few foriegn products in their treats.

ORIGINAL: jojo the pogo

And honestly, I don't believe that a nail was found in that bag of treats.

This is treats not canned food. The above quote post by me was referring to treats, not the canned food.

Huh? In the first post you said there could be and had been nails in their products. In the second post you said the poster who found a nail in treats was lying... This part has nothing to do with canned.

ETA: You may not have heard about it because 1) I believe that poster was in a different country and 2) why would you have? You don't work for Merrick and I doubt it's something they would advertise to their customers.

ORIGINAL: willowchow

I was the one who should of been taking offense to HER posts constantly implying that I wasn't telling the truth. 

Honestly, who cares anymore.  This is getting ridiculous. 

For the last time.  I am not implying that you are not telling the truth.  I do believe you.   It happens.  I believe you because I respect the advice you give on this forum.  Here's the problem.  Someone asks about Merrick.  I say, "I like Merrick.  Joey did well on Merrick."  Then you say "I wouldn't feed it because I found a construction staple in the food."  And everyone else follows in tote with you, especially Glenda.  Like what I have to say about my success with Merrick doesn't count.  There are 2 sides to every story.

 

and nobody's cooking is so terrible that it'll make a dog sick, lol!

 
Oh Jennie , how funny are you?  Quick story....I got off work at 0600 and thought I would make my fiance
breakfast before he went to work and I went to bed.  I got a call later that afternoon from a co-worker of his
saying they were in the ambulance taking my fiance to the hospital.  After a few hours at the hospital the doctor
ruled out any prescription drug reaction but more likely food poisoning.  You can image how I felt []
It's quite funny now....but really, they thought it was the chinese food from lunch. Whew!
Seriously, I thought about crockpotting some chicken for Sampson as it may be cheaper but you guys seem
to add all sorts of suppiment stuff.  Seems like rocket science and I was too intimidated to try so I stick w/canned.

ORIGINAL: sooner

ORIGINAL: jojo the pogo

ORIGINAL: sooner

So, there are nails in their products, but that poster must be lying?

ORIGINAL: jojo the pogo

We distribute the 2 largest "body part" dog treat companies, Redbarn and Merrick. Both have had nails found in their body part products... Again, just about every "body part" treat company has had a few foriegn products in their treats.

ORIGINAL: jojo the pogo

And honestly, I don't believe that a nail was found in that bag of treats.

This is treats not canned food. The above quote post by me was referring to treats, not the canned food.

Huh? In the first post you said there could be and had been nails in their products. In the second post you said the poster who found a nail in treats was lying... This part has nothing to do with canned.

ETA: You may not have heard about it because 1) I believe that poster was in a different country and 2) why would you have? You don't work for Merrick and I doubt it's something they would advertise to their customers.

Yah, well, I wasn't going to say to the poster throwing a fit about a nail that I thought she was lying.  But I am now.  I can say though that other companies have been accused of finding nails, not as large as the one, suposedly found, in Merricks treats.  So it wouldn't shock me if it was true.  But I really didn't believe that poster because I didn't hear anything about it in the pet product industry.  It's a very competative business, so those types of issues spread like the flu.  And no one has heard anything about this, but me.

It's not just Lori's story that keeps me from trying Merrick. It's the dogs they killed with the Go recall, the treat recalls, the canned recall, and the reports of foreign bodies. I've never understood the school of thought that 'I've never had a problem so it must be fine'... personally, I'm not going to take the chance with my dogs health after multiple serious quality control issues.

ORIGINAL: sooner

It's not just Lori's story that keeps me from trying Merrick. It's the dogs they killed with the Go recall, the treat recalls, the canned recall, and the reports of foreign bodies. I've never understood the school of thought that 'I've never had a problem so it must be fine'... personally, I'm not going to take the chance with my dogs health after multiple serious quality control issues.

Understandable, and I accept your opinion.  But in my industry, when I'm in pet stores all day, I hear nothing but good things about Merricks canned food.  From people that feed it daily, so in my opinion it is fine.

I guess I would compare Merrick to Hyundai's.  When Hyundai's first came out they had some serious quality issues.  And look at them now, they are "buy of the year."  I own an Elantra and love it.  My father owned an Elantra and loved it.  My neihbor is a machanic and told me how horrible my new Hyundai was as soon as I drove it into my drive way (he's nosy).  Yet, a machanic I ran into at a TCBY said how awesome Elantras are and what a great value they are.  I'm going to assume that my neihbor has not updated his impression of Hyundai.

I say, "I like Merrick.  Joey did well on Merrick."  Then you say "I wouldn't feed it because I found a construction staple in the food."  And everyone else follows in tote with you, especially Glenda.  Like what I have to say about my success with Merrick doesn't count.  There are 2 sides to every story.

 
Jojo---With all due respect, I honestly think you're missing the point.  And, not just with what my experiences have been but just this whole topic in general.  When I'm responding, I'm responding regarding my experiences with what I've found in the food and quality control issues. 
 
What I'm not saying is that it's a bad food ingredient wise or even that my dog didn't do well on it. 
 
It seems like we are talking about two different things, I'm saying be careful for the food because I've found a dangerous object.  I'm not saying be careful because the ingredients are bad or my dog did horrible on it. 
 
In fact, this was my prior post that probably got lost in all this nonsense.---

Hold on, I never said it was a bad food as far as ingredients.  BUT, considering what I've found and what I've read others have found, no I don't think it's worth the risk.  I would hardly compare constipation issues to finding an object that could potentially kill a dog if eaten.  And, just for the record I've had many bowel issues and things like that with foods over the years and never took issue with the company. 

And, I do believe he/she found a nail, I found a metal object  why would I doubt someone else?? 

All I can say is, if you feed especially the cans where stuff can hide to please check it before you feed it to Jojo. I wouldn't want him to ingest something.  Just because you haven't had a problem doesn't mean you won't.  I used it for some time before I saw anything. 

 
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While working at Pet Supplies Plus, I've heard about plastic pieces being found in almost all of the foods out there. Eagle Pack, Burns, Canidae, Chicken Soup.

Again, why are we just picking on Merrick? Really? Stop picking on me, like you tend to do alot, Glenda, and tell me why we are picking on Merrick and not those other companies?

 
Actually, I found a pretty good sized piece of blue plastic in a can of Grammy's Pot Pie FIRST---before the staple incident.  And, I continued to feed it.  I did notify them but I didn't get too freaked out over it.  It's not good, but I wasn't so worried, she's gotten into plastic bags and such herself before, it really didn't make me stop using the food. 
 
I then found the staple and that's when I stopped. 
 
I think for any company metal objects that could kill her if ingested would be my deal breaker.

I got off work at 0600 and thought I would make my fiance
breakfast before he went to work and I went to bed. I got a call later that afternoon from a co-worker of his
saying they were in the ambulance taking my fiance to the hospital. After a few hours at the hospital the doctor
ruled out any prescription drug reaction but more likely food poisoning. You can image how I felt

Awww! LOL That's pretty bad[]

Crockpotting chicken wouldn't be so bad. You have the bone (calcium) already in there, and you can just add a little organ meat (liver) and some veggies. You'll be fine with that, especially if it isn't the bulk of his nutrition.

And it's MUCH cheaper! I could never afford to feed my dogs all canned. Emma, alone, would need 3 cans per day. Teenie probably needs 1-1 1/2.  At $1.50 for a can of Natural Balance (which is about the cheapest thing that Emma can even eat), I'd be broke in no time flat[] I started cooking a long time ago (when Emma was a puppy), and eventually moved on to a modified raw diet, when Emma's liver issues were under good control.  It's not as hard as it sounds. Variety is important. Veggies add vitamins and minerals, with just a few calories (and make your dog feel full). I supplement pretty conservatively, and my dogs are doing fantastically well.

You can also do stuff like canned mackeral, or (cooked or raw) eggs. I do that sort of stuff for light, lunch time and bed time snacks. They love it!

Well that doesn't sound too difficult.  I can give that a try this week.

It's really not so bad[] I spend around 30 minutes, once or twice a week, making dog food. That's three meals per day, per dog, plus snacks. Of course, there's the amount of time that I spend scooping it into their bowls, but everybody does that[]

I hope that you and Sampson like whatever you try. Let me know what he thinks of your cooking, LOL!

I was the one who should of been taking offense to HER posts constantly implying that I wasn't telling the truth. 

Who is Constantly implying you weren't telling the truth? Trust me, If I thought you were lying, I'd have no problem saying so, I wouldn't imply. People keep saying over and over they have lots of quality control issues and still, just one person confirming. Sorry, but doesn't meet my standard of proof which is what I said before. Doesn't mean she is lying, means I don't know if the other stories are true period. Quit trying to create drama that isn't needed. Everytime someone disagrees about some of the commonly held ideas it seems there is an attemmpt at villifying them, seriously advancment comes from discussion and disagreement (which is why I used to enjoy this forum, to see other views). Just because I or you disagree with someone doesn't mean I think they are mean, stupid, lying, etc, it just means I disagree period. I disagree that people should avoid a food because of the evidence presented here, and that's all I mean! You know I just speant 8 hours trying to save a girl who died after a medical error from a stupid doctor. I come to this page because it gets my mind off of the horror I am part of everyday. It's interesting and it's fun to be a part of the medical discussions on the health section but now I'm just not sure if it's worth it at all and all this speculation about my tone/or implications is just horrible.

Oh and misskiwi, fyi eventhough we aren't even talking about science diet here

the average size of a nail is about 0.45-0.5g, an ounce is about 31 g which would be less then 0.1oz, so it would not be a quality control issue in your example

Ottoluv--We--JoJo's mom and I-- were having this discussion for some time before you came along.  I wasn't addressing you, AT ANY TIME. 

I'm not creating drama, but I think you are by jumping into this without having read thru everything to know what's going on and who's addressing who.

Everytime someone disagrees about some of the commonly held ideas it seems there is an attemmpt at villifying them,

 
I think the arguments come up here because people try to argue facts as though they are opinions. 

Nevermind.