Boiling water over kibble?

    • Gold Top Dog
    but you are NOT going to get cancer by eating food cooked in it.

     
    Well, I'm not saying you will, but let's be fair here. We haven't proven that you WON'T get cancer by using mircowaves. I'm not sure that it's even possible to ;prove something like that. So let's not say "you are NOT going to get cancer", when we can't be sure of that.
    • Gold Top Dog
    We haven't proven that you WON'T get cancer by using mircowaves.

     
    Remember that millions of people use microwaves on a regular basis for the past what 40 years at least.  If it caused cancer, do you really think there would be no evidence or legal backlash from it.  For example, breast implants with even a hint of slightly increased cancer rates (which was proven to be untrue by the way) became a nidus for lawsuits that bankrupted companies.  When you make wild claims, it is up to you to prove them, not for everyone else to disprove them.  People have been saying this for many, many years and it has never been proven, not even by correlational studies which don't have a very high level of evidence.    Sorry, there is NO evidence that eating food cooked in a microwave CAUSES cancer of any type.
    • Gold Top Dog

    Remember that millions of people use microwaves on a regular basis for the past what 40 years at least. If it caused cancer, do you really think there would be no evidence or legal backlash from it.


    Right. Because ALL carcinogens are illegal.

    I'm not saying that microwaves cause cancer (I don't like them, myself, but that's beside the point) but I *am* saying that this logic is flawed, by just a smidge. Burned food is a carcinogen. Smoke, of any kind, is a carcinogen (including smoked meat). Nobody really knows, for certain, what causes cancer, but we know of things that contribute to it. You can do everything "right" your whole life and die of cancer.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Sorry, there is NO evidence that eating food cooked in a microwave CAUSES cancer of any type.


    Wait, let's think here for a minute. If everything that causes cancer was known and illegal, why do people still get cancer? You're telling me that there's no way that little things like microwaves have contributed to our ridiculous cancer statistics? Everything's safe, until it's not anymore. But guess what? It never really was. 40 years is not even a blip on the radar in the grand scheme of things. We can't (or don't, anyway) know yet if microwaves do massive harm long-term. I'm not convinced that microwaves are evil, cancer causing machines, but you can't convince me that they're NOT. Sorry, we just can't say for sure. And let me tell you, I'm a little more wary of them since ours caught fire for no apparent reason yesterday. That's pretty freaky.
     
    Microwaves only got popular in the 70s, so that's 30ish years.
    • Gold Top Dog

    ORIGINAL: Lilea

    I would not use the microwave for heating up food.  After finding out that the microwave changes food into cancer causing agents and unidentifiable masses.  It isn't even food anymore when you take it out.  Even 20 seconds is enough to do damage.  I know they are terribly convenient but I threw out my microwave a year ago, I won't feed that crap to myself, my kids, or my pets.
    [linkhttp://www.life.ca/nl/103/microwave.html]http://www.life.ca/nl/103/microwave.html[/link]
    [linkhttp://www.herbalhealer.com/microwave.html]http://www.herbalhealer.com/microwave.html[/link]


    That's not true


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    ORIGINAL: Bobsk8


    ORIGINAL: Lilea

    I would not use the microwave for heating up food.  After finding out that the microwave changes food into cancer causing agents and unidentifiable masses.  It isn't even food anymore when you take it out.  Even 20 seconds is enough to do damage.  I know they are terribly convenient but I threw out my microwave a year ago, I won't feed that crap to myself, my kids, or my pets.
    [linkhttp://www.life.ca/nl/103/microwave.html]http://www.life.ca/nl/103/microwave.html[/link]
    [linkhttp://www.herbalhealer.com/microwave.html]http://www.herbalhealer.com/microwave.html[/link]


    That's not true




    I believe it is true, did you look at the links?  Can you show proof otherwise?
    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: ottoluv

    I would not use the microwave for heating up food. After finding out that the microwave changes food into cancer causing agents and unidentifiable masses.


    This has never been proven by reputable sceince.  There are no studies to back up this claim, the "studies" on that page are not really studies at all if you actually read them. None are long term, prosepcetive, randomized or in peer reviewed journals.  Those web pages also are not reputable sceintific sources of information.  Obviously if you don't want to use a microwave that's fine the food usually tastes like crap compared to regular cookin :), but you are NOT going to get cancer by eating food cooked in it.

    I believe there is plenty of proof in the links I posted.  What  do you need long term studies for when there is ;proof of short term harm?  If you keep eating microwaved foods you are exposing yourself to the short term harm over and over again forever, that equals long term harm!  I sure hope I haven't already caused myself and my children long term health affects by eating microwaved foods for as long as we did!  I also disagree with you that it is a "wild claim".  Everyone (well almost everyone) knows it is a fact that heating breast milk or baby formula in the microwave damages the milk.  Why would that not also apply to other foods?  You think the microwave just decided to pick on baby milk?  So what if people have been using the microwave for thirty years?  People smoked cigarettes for a much longer period of time before anyone ever thought of it being harmful, much less causing cancer!
    • Gold Top Dog
    The "proof" in your links is slightly twisted to fit the authors perception. For example, a jury found for the defendants and determined that Norma Levitt died from a blood clot. So while the article says, "microwaving altered the blood and it killed her" - and that might be true - it isn't because the microwave turned the blood into some freak substance. I can't find the original trial transcript, but [linkhttp://wyom.state.wy.us/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?citeID=4387]this[/link] refers to the sanctions awarded to the wrongfully accused defendants.
    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: sooner

    The "proof" in your links is slightly twisted to fit the authors perception. For example, a jury found for the defendants and determined that Norma Levitt died from a blood clot. So while the article says, "microwaving altered the blood and it killed her" - and that might be true - it isn't because the microwave turned the blood into some freak substance. I can't find the original trial transcript, but [linkhttp://wyom.state.wy.us/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?citeID=4387]this[/link] refers to the sanctions awarded to the wrongfully accused defendants.

    I must have missed something when I read the articles, I don't remember reading anything about a blood clot lawsuit.  I disagree about the articles being twisted, they both state a bunch of facts and studies, I don't see any twisting or one-sidedness, just facts:
     
    "The microwave oven generates electromagnetic waves (called microwaves because they#%92re short) at a frequency of 2450 megahertz (FM radio waves are generated at around 100 MHz and cell phones transmit 800 MHz). The microwaves bombard the molecules of water in the food. These molecules each have a positive and negative end, or “polarity”. The polarized molecules try to line themselves up with the electrical field, like compass needles trying to point North. But because the electrical field is reversing polarity at a rate of 2,450 million cycles a second, the water molecules end up rotating at the same speed. That activity generates heat, which cooks the food, literally from inside out, as opposed to other types of cooking, which transfer heat convectionally from the outside in. Unfortunately, this violent movement of molecules causes substantial damage to some molecules, often tearing them apart or deforming them."
     
    "The Food and Drug Administration in the U.S. states that “foods cooked in a microwave oven may keep more of their vitamins and minerals, because microwave ovens can cook more quickly and without adding water.” A Spanish study published in the Journal of the Science of Food and Agriculture in 2003 disproves that statement. Researchers from the Spanish scientific research council CEBAS-CSIC found that cooking by microwave is the worst way to preserve at least one key nutrient in vegetables. According to Dr. Cristina Garcia-Viguera, co-author of the study, microwaved broccoli loses 97 percent, 74 percent, and 87 percent of the three major cancer-protecting antioxidant compounds (flavonoids, sinapics and caffeoyl-quinic derivatives). By comparison, steamed broccoli loses 11 percent, 0 percent and 8 percent of the very same antioxidants."
     
    [font=arial]"Vitamin B-12 is another nutrient that can be destroyed by microwaving. Japanese research reported in Science News in 1998 found that as little as six minutes of microwave cooking destroyed half of the vitamin B-12 in dairy foods and meat, a much higher rate of destruction than other cooking techniques. Microwaving baby formula is also a problem, according to Dr. Lita Lee of Hawaii in the Lancet medical journal in 1989. She wrote that microwaving baby formula converts certain trans-amino acids into synthetic substances like trans-fatty acids. Further, one of the amino acids, L-proline, converts to a substance known to be poisonous to the nervous system and to the kidneys."
     
    "Russian researchers found that people who ate microwaved foods had a statistically higher incidence of stomach and intestinal cancers, a general degeneration of peripheral cellular tissues, and a gradual breakdown of the digestive and excretory systems. Due to chemical alterations within the food, they had lymphatic malfunctions, causing a degeneration of the body#%92s immune system. For instance, microwaving milk and cereal grains converted some of their amino acids into carcinogens, thawing frozen fruits converted their glucoside and galactoside containing fractions into carcinogenic substances, and carcinogenic free radicals were formed in microwaved plants, especially root vegetables. They also reported structural degradation leading to decreased availability of Vitamins B, C, E and essential minerals at a rate of 60 to 90 percent in all foods tested.  As a result of that research, the Soviets banned the use of microwave ovens in 1976 and issued an international warning on the health hazards, both biological and environmental, of microwave ovens and similar frequency electronic devices. The ban has since been over-turned and the rest of the world appears not to have headed the warning."
     
    "In 1989, the Swiss food scientist Dr Dans Ulrich Hertel fed eight volunteers a range of raw, conventionally cooked and microwaved food. Blood samples, taken from each person after eating, showed serious irregularities in the structure of the food microwaved, and in the blood of those eating the microwaved samples. These changes included a decrease in all hemoglobin and cholesterol values, especially the ratio of HDL (good cholesterol) and LDL (bad cholesterol) values. Lymphocytes (white blood cells) showed a more distinct short-term decrease following the intake of microwaved food than after the intake of all the other variants."
     
    "An article also appeared a Swiss environmental magazine entitled Journal Franz Weber, which stated that the consumption of food cooked in microwave ovens had cancerous effects on the blood as indicated by an increase of leukocytes, which could indicate cell damage, after eating microwaved substances. As soon as Doctors Hertel and Blanc published their results, the authorities reacted. In 1992, a powerful trade organization, the Swiss Association of Dealers for Electro-apparatuses for Households and Industry, known as FEA forced the Swiss courts to issue a “gag order” against them. The following year, Dr. Hertel was convicted for “interfering with commerce” and prohibited from further publishing his results. However, he fought the decision and both it and the gag order were reversed in 1998 when the European Court of Human Rights in Austria ruled that there had been a violation of his rights in the 1993 decision. In addition, Switzerland was ordered to pay him compensation."
     
    "Health writer Dr. Andrew Weil has suggested that reheating foods in a microwave oven may not be harmful. However, according to the American Journal of Epidemiology, an outbreak of Salmonella typhimurium in Alaska was traced to food taken home from restaurants. While 30 people had taken home “doggie bags” only ten became sick; they had reheated their food in a microwave oven, while those who used a conventional oven or frying pan did not get sick."
     
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    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: Lilea

    I must have missed something when I read the articles, I don't remember reading anything about a blood clot lawsuit. I disagree about the articles being twisted, they both state a bunch of facts and studies, I don't see any twisting or one-sidedness, just facts:


    Second link, under "Microwaved Blood Kills Patient". You didn't read about a blood clot because they conveniently failed to mention all the "facts".
    • Gold Top Dog
    Can you discount all the facts listed in my previous post?  I think the evidence is pretty overwhelming.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Haven't tried. I just discounted the author based on the presentation of the "facts".

    Look, I'm not saying microwaves are healthy. They probably aren't. I was just saying that particular article doesn't hold weight if the author twists facts to fit.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Everyone (well almost everyone) knows it is a fact that heating breast milk or baby formula in the microwave damages the milk.


    I have always heeded this rule.Nothing that passed my babies lips was heated by a microwave.

    We have only had a micro for 2 years,and to be honest i dont know how i got by without one for so long.
    However i never cook food in it,i prefer the oven for that.I only use  it to defrost and heat up the puppers and ours food,which is usually around 20 seconds or so. Before that i used the bag in a bowl of hot water heating method,which was a royal pain in the butt,especially when i forgot to take meat out and had to defrost quick!

    I havnt read the links all the way through,but would heating food up for seconds really cause damage?
    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: sooner

    Haven't tried. I just discounted the author based on the presentation of the "facts".

    Look, I'm not saying microwaves are healthy. They probably aren't. I was just saying that particular article doesn't hold weight if the author twists facts to fit.

    I would like to apologize to you Sooner.  I shouldn't have been so argumentative.  It really wasn't my intention to start an argument.  I still do not think the sites have twisted information and I believe that they are true.  Everyone else of course will have their own opinions.
    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: Edie

    Everyone (well almost everyone) knows it is a fact that heating breast milk or baby formula in the microwave damages the milk.


    I have always heeded this rule.Nothing that passed my babies lips was heated by a microwave.

    We have only had a micro for 2 years,and to be honest i dont know how i got by without one for so long.
    However i never cook food in it,i prefer the oven for that.I only use  it to defrost and heat up the puppers and ours food,which is usually around 20 seconds or so. Before that i used the bag in a bowl of hot water heating method,which was a royal pain in the butt,especially when i forgot to take meat out and had to defrost quick!

    I havnt read the links all the way through,but would heating food up for seconds really cause damage?


    According to the websites, yes, and I believe they contain accurate information.  I suggest to everyone to please just read the information there and then make your conclusions and decisions.  I had not set out trying to find fault with microwaves.  In fact, I brought one back into my house at one point because lets face it, lifes a lot easier with a microwave.  But before I used it, I tried to find info online saying that they are safe because I would really love to believe that!  But there is just too much proof otherwise so I took it back out of the house and won't use it.  Yes you can get cancer and other illnesses even if you do not use a microwave, yes you can get killed crossing the street, that doesn't make microwaves any safer.  I certainly won't put the mutated whatever-it-is that comes out of those things in my kids tummies.  I know restaurants use microwaves on regular basis but luckily we can't afford to eat out!