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Posted : 1/18/2007 10:27:02 PM

ORIGINAL: Lilea

ORIGINAL: Bobsk8

I think the only thing that garlic would do in your situation is make your dog sick. Sound like you have to do some work on the dog's environment. Do a Google search on defleaing your home and yard, and you will find many tips. Stick with the Advantix , it sometimes takes a couple of months....

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What I dont understand is that the cat is in the same environment as the dog and she doesn't have fleas. The instructions with Advantix says all the fleas should be dead in one hour, I don't understand why it would take a couple of months. I don't see how garlic would make her sick unless I feed her too much. I know there are lots of people on this forum that regularly feed garlic to their dogs. This is all so confusing.

First of all, you should not use Advantix if you have a cat, unless you can keep the cat separated from the dog for a couple of days. It will kill your cat. It tells you that right on the packaging.....

Bobsk8

Posted : 1/18/2007 10:31:08 PM

Some say that garlic is OK unless you feed your dog too much. To me that is like saying that a little poison is OK, until you get sick or keel over, and then you probably had too much....[8|]

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Stacita

Posted : 1/19/2007 7:37:48 AM

I agree with the others that you need to get the fleas under control first.

I disagree with some of them that garlic has more potential for harm than beneficial value. Many sources acknowledge the beneficial value of garlic both for insect control as well as for boosting the immune system. Plus dogs like the taste.

I sautee my dogs veggies in olive oil and garlic which they like. It works out to about 1/4 clove per day for dogs that weigh between 60 - 80 pounds. It may be completely coincidental but I've only had to use Frontline once since starting home cooked about a year ago. My neighbors have needed to use it more often.

mudpuppy

Posted : 1/19/2007 9:49:11 AM

Am J Vet Res. 2000 Nov;61(11):1446-50.

Links

Hematologic changes associated with the appearance of eccentrocytes after intragastric administration of garlic extract to dogs.

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Department of Veterinary Clinical Sciences, Graduate School of Veterinary Medicine, Hokkaido University, Sapporo, Japan.
OBJECTIVE: To determine whether dogs given garlic extract developed hemolytic anemia and to establish the hematologic characteristics induced experimentally by intragastric administration of garlic extract. ANIMALS: 8 healthy adult mixed-breed dogs. PROCEDURE: 4 dogs were given 1.25 ml of garlic extract/kg of body weight (5 g of whole garlic/kg) intragastrically once a day for 7 days. The remaining 4 control dogs received water instead of garlic extract. Complete blood counts were performed, and methemoglobin and erythrocyte-reduced glutathione concentrations, percentage of erythrocytes with Heinz bodies, and percentage of eccentrocytes were determined before and for 30 days after administration of the first dose of garlic extract. Ultrastructural analysis of eccentrocytes was performed. RESULTS: Compared with initial values, erythrocyte count, Hct, and hemoglobin concentration decreased to a minimum value on days 9 to 11 in dogs given garlic extract. Heinz body formation, an increase in erythrocyte-reduced glutathione concentration, and eccentrocytes were also detected in these dogs. However, no dog developed hemolytic anemia. CONCLUSIONS AND CLINICAL RELEVANCE: The constituents of garlic have the potential to oxidize erythrocyte membranes and hemoglobin, inducing hemolysis associated with the appearance of eccentrocytes in dogs. Thus, foods containing garlic should not be fed to dogs. Eccentrocytosis appears to be a major diagnostic feature of garlic-induced hemolysis in dogs.
PMID: 11108195 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

chronic eccentrocytosis in dogs has been linked to lymphoma, diabetes, and of course hemolytic anemia. Certain dogs seem much more susceptible-- whippets, boxer, english setter, and young dogs in general.
I wouldn't risk it-- how do you know for sure your dog isn't more sensitive than other dogs? No one has ever definitely shown that dogs benefit from high doses of garlic. A light dust on treats is probably ok.

Santino Rizzo

Posted : 1/19/2007 10:06:47 AM

ORIGINAL: Bobsk8

Some say that garlic is OK unless you feed your dog too much. To me that is like saying that a little poison is OK, until you get sick or keel over, and then you probably had too much....[8|]

[linkhttp://www.petalia.com.au/templates/storytemplate_process.cfm?story_no=257#ct-4]http://www.petalia.com.au/templates/storytemplate_process.cfm?story_no=257#ct-4[/link]

Everything is poison at some point, and many things that are poison at one level are beneficial at another. Water intoxication is all over the news, yet there's a lot of people that never new water can kill you, and it really doesn't take that much to do so.

beth82

Posted : 1/19/2007 11:43:04 AM

ORIGINAL: mudpuppy

4 dogs were given 1.25 ml of garlic extract/kg of body weight (5 g of whole garlic/kg) intragastrically once a day for 7 days

These dogs were given a huge amount of garlic extract - roughly equivalent to 1 average clove of garlic per pound of body weight. Nobody puts that much garlic in food. There have been many, many dogs who were given small amounts of garlic occasionally throughout their lives with no ill effects, so IMHO moderate use is perfectly OK for a healthy dog.

Lilea Storm

Posted : 1/19/2007 12:44:44 PM

ORIGINAL: jessies_mom

What I dont understand is that the cat is in the same environment as the dog and she doesn't have fleas

Does the cat go outside; fleas are in the yard and if your cat is indoors all the time she may not be exposed to them as much. I agree with the others; you have a bad case of fleas and have to treat the entire house and the yard. It's going to take a lot of work.[&o]

The dog is an inside dog also, we dont have a yard. The dog does go outside for ocassional walks though.

Lilea Storm

Posted : 1/19/2007 12:48:07 PM

ORIGINAL: Misskiwi67

The fleas you SEE are only 1% of the total population in your home/yard. If you aren't treating the whole problem, then you aren't treating the problem at all.

My best advice is to wash all the things she lays in, plays on, sleeps on 2-3 times weekly, and vacuum like you're possessed EVERY DAY.

I already vacuum thoroughly about three times every day. We don't have a yard but last night I treated all the carpets and furniture, including the cat and dog furniture. Hopefully this will help.

Lilea Storm

Posted : 1/19/2007 12:52:04 PM

ORIGINAL: Bobsk8

ORIGINAL: Lilea

ORIGINAL: Bobsk8

I think the only thing that garlic would do in your situation is make your dog sick. Sound like you have to do some work on the dog's environment. Do a Google search on defleaing your home and yard, and you will find many tips. Stick with the Advantix , it sometimes takes a couple of months....

[linkhttp://www.ehow.com/how_16644_rid-home-fleas.html]http://www.ehow.com/how_16644_rid-home-fleas.html[/link]

What I dont understand is that the cat is in the same environment as the dog and she doesn't have fleas. The instructions with Advantix says all the fleas should be dead in one hour, I don't understand why it would take a couple of months. I don't see how garlic would make her sick unless I feed her too much. I know there are lots of people on this forum that regularly feed garlic to their dogs. This is all so confusing.

First of all, you should not use Advantix if you have a cat, unless you can keep the cat separated from the dog for a couple of days. It will kill your cat. It tells you that right on the packaging.....

Yes, thank you for mentioning that, I was aware of that and they have been seperated since it was applied.

Lilea Storm

Posted : 1/19/2007 12:53:47 PM

ORIGINAL: Bobsk8

Some say that garlic is OK unless you feed your dog too much. To me that is like saying that a little poison is OK, until you get sick or keel over, and then you probably had too much....[8|]

[linkhttp://www.petalia.com.au/templates/storytemplate_process.cfm?story_no=257#ct-4]http://www.petalia.com.au/templates/storytemplate_process.cfm?story_no=257#ct-4[/link]

Even humans can overdose on vitamin A and vitamin E and even water. Everything in moderation.

sandra_slayton

Posted : 1/19/2007 1:33:44 PM

Even humans can overdose on vitamin A and vitamin E and even water. Everything in moderation.

My sister use to hvae a lot of kidney trouble and her doctor told her to drink 1/2 can of beer a day. She doesn't like the smell nor taste of beer, so used cranberry juice instead. My Dad's doctor said a hot toddy at night was good medicine. Daddy was not partial to liquor, but when he would have a cold, sinus, etc, he would drink one and it helped. BUT to much liquor can cause you serious health problems and even kill you. But sometimes things that "are not good for you" in massive doses are great for you in small doses.

PS Did you know that many, many years ago some women took small doses of arsenic to keep their skin beautiful? Some over did it and died.

Lilea Storm

Posted : 1/19/2007 5:27:28 PM

I bought some brewers yeast tablets that also contain garlic and omega 3 fatty acids and some vitamins and minerals. I'm going to try that. Its actually for dogs and cats and they both love it.

Bobsk8

Posted : 1/19/2007 7:50:54 PM

ORIGINAL: sandra_slayton

Even humans can overdose on vitamin A and vitamin E and even water. Everything in moderation.

My sister use to hvae a lot of kidney trouble and her doctor told her to drink 1/2 can of beer a day. She doesn't like the smell nor taste of beer, so used cranberry juice instead. My Dad's doctor said a hot toddy at night was good medicine. Daddy was not partial to liquor, but when he would have a cold, sinus, etc, he would drink one and it helped. BUT to much liquor can cause you serious health problems and even kill you. But sometimes things that "are not good for you" in massive doses are great for you in small doses.

PS Did you know that many, many years ago some women took small doses of arsenic to keep their skin beautiful? Some over did it and died.

Amd some people can have several drinks a day and smoke a pack of cigarettes a day and live till they are 80 years old. Other people get lung cancer or have liver failure at 40.........

Lilea Storm

Posted : 1/21/2007 2:20:50 AM

I guess I have to try bombing the apartment. I treated the carpets, furniture, and pets. It does seem to be slightly better but the dog is still scratching and chewing a lot.

Feeding Garlic--How Much?