Fruit/Veggies?

ORIGINAL: littlesaint

ORIGINAL: forpaws

Edie & Littlesaint: I got my information from my veterinarian , an  article in  The Whole Dog Journal to include United States Humane Society also let out a publication just before Thanksgiving about Turkey SKIN being too fatty for dogs to digest. A constant diet of fatty foods can cause the above mentioned health problems.

There is only one mushroom dogs can have and is used for cancer fighting properties, I believe it is the Shitakkii mushroom, but do not quote me on that. I also believe there is a formula to it in dosing.

Dulce and I are on the same page.

The other fruit in addition to grapes is raisins which dogs cannot have either.

If I find the article, I will post it for your reading pleasure.

Angel

With anything it's about moderation.  Dogs can have garlic, poultry fat, grapes, raisins, and most of the other aforementioned "bad foods".  You just have to watch how much they get.  I realize vets warn people about these things assuming people are idiots, and they may be right, but the idea is that these foods (with the exception chocolate and onions) are not dangerous to dogs unless they consume huge amounts.

I disagree

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With anything it's about moderation. Dogs can have garlic, poultry fat, grapes, raisins, and most of the other aforementioned "bad foods". You just have to watch how much they get. I realize vets warn people about these things assuming people are idiots, and they may be right, but the idea is that these foods (with the exception chocolate and onions) are not dangerous to dogs unless they consume huge amounts.

 
I disagree with you there. To each their own I guess. My fur kids will not get any of these food items if I can help it.
 
I have seen a dog first hand that ate raisins, not a pretty sight. They almost lost their fur child.

I got my information from my veterinarian , an article in The Whole Dog Journal to include United States Humane Society also let out a publication just before Thanksgiving about Turkey SKIN being too fatty for dogs to digest.

 
I can see if you give a dog a bowl of JUST turkey skin, but just in general, as some fat in the diet? I don't see how turkey or chicken fat could be worse than, say, beef fat. In fact, I'd consider it better since it's such a fabulous source of linoleic acid (Omega 6 fatty acids).

I agree that garlic in moderation is fine, however the others I will stay away from as well.
 
I *think* that the thing with turkey skin is because some folks give it to their dogs as their "treat"......skin and nothing but skin, which, of course is way too fatty for the average bear...errr, dog.

I've read that same story about a hundred times on different websites.  The number of reported "grape poisoning" cases is very, very low and they have always involve large quantities of grapes or raisins.

I used to feed Ollie grapes because he loves them and I buy them a lot.   Now, I will no longer feed my dogs any grapes...its not worth it. Yes I do find one small one when I'm packing some for my lunch, that is it.  I read about grapes that if you feed your dog one or two, its okay, but if you walk by the kitchen table and you see the whole bowl of grapes that you had there is gone,,rush your dog to the vet.  I believe it is kidney failure that it causes....   AND raisins are exceptionally bad because they are so small and if they get a small amount, it usually adds up to a fair amount of grapes.

I would not feed onions in any form...I would (and do) feed garlic or mushrooms, but not a lot as there is no reason to.
I don't feed turkey or chicken skin because I would not eat it, why should my dog?  UNLESS you are trying to fatten them up.

While its true that you see pieces of raw carrots in their stool, it sure doesn't hurt a thing. They might not be getting many nutrients from some of these raw veggies that they can't digest such as carrots...but its not hurting them. and its a good snack to chew on.
At work a week or so ago a lady brought in Tina, a cock-a-poo,,,,,very very ill...she had to spend a few nights in our clinic,,,it was from the ham that was fed to her on Christmas by her guests.  She was used to eating some because her owner fed her pretty much a little of everything,,,but that day she ate more than her share between all the guests feeding her.   I think its the fat on the ham that caused her problems.

because I would not eat it, why should my dog?

That would land my dogs in a world of trouble[] I'm vegan, and they're on modified raw.

Just because we wouldn't eat it, doesn't necessarily make it bad for a dog.

That would land my dogs in a world of trouble[] I'm vegan, and they're on modified raw.

Just because we wouldn't eat it, doesn't necessarily make it bad for a dog.

No your right, there are a lot of things that I eat that I wouldn't feed her, there is a lot she eats that I wouldn't eat. Sorry if that statement sounded like a snotty remark, it was NOT meant to be.
BUT to me skin is nothing but fat, and I don't think there is much in it that is especially good for anyone. So I don't eat it...and for the same reason, I wouldn't feed it to my dog.  

I don't feed turkey or chicken skin because I would not eat it, why should my dog? UNLESS you are trying to fatten them up.

What about raw chicken and turkey?Would you stand there peeling all the skin off that iff you fed it? I sure dont have the patience for it....

The skins the yummiest part of a roast chicken or turkey.I just do not see the point of standing there seperating skin from bird when the skin also provides Fatty acids and also provides a nice source of fat,and i'm sure wild dogs dont leave the skin when they catch their prey []. I must admit this is the first time i have heard people not giving the skin when they give chicken or turkey.

As for the other things,like i said i give garlic,but i have stopped giving grapes and raisins.Even though  i always used to share my bowl of grapes with my dogs before hearing of the dangers from them,kinda weird,but eh..I would never forgive myself if i continued on giving them and soemthing did happen to one of them [&:]

BUT to me skin is nothing but fat, and I don't think there is much in it that is especially good for anyone.

 
Well, dogs need the fat. If you fed poultry without skin as a large part of your dogs diet, I betcha she'd have a terrible, dry coat in no time. Poultry meat is just too lean for dogs. That's where the skin comes in.
 
I'm still confused as to whether the "anti-skin" ([]) folks are saying that poultry fat is somehow worse than beef, pork, or any other fat? And if you are saying that, what's the logic? Because I just don't get it or agree.
 
BTW, an ounce of chicken dark meat with skin still has less fat than an ounce of lean ground beef. And chicken skin on its own is 28% protein, and 13.5% Omega 6 fatty acid, dry matter. lus it's a great source of Niacin. Not too shabby.

I LOVE the crispy skin of a roast bird....but I limit myself to a bite or two because it's not good for me.  However, my dogs NEED more fat than I do so they can have the skin on raw chicken or turkey.  I may be completely off base here, but I *think* that the skin kind of acts as the catcher for the fats that drip out of the roasting bird and becomes more fatty than it is raw.  Just my thot.

I'm still confused as to whether the "anti-skin" ([]) folks are saying that poultry fat is somehow worse than beef, pork, or any other fat? And if you are saying that, what's the logic? Because I just don't get it or agree.

Wow, I'm surprised at the debate here honestly.   I personally don't think that poultry fat is worse than beef, pork or any other fat,,, I don't eat the fat off of any animal...I just wouldn't think of feeding it to Bubblegum. Its not a issue for me especially, I just never considered it.   I do agree with you guys that it has all the flavor, and it helps the meat taste better,,,and I don't take it off before I cook meat (although my husband will only eat skinless chicken breasts so I do take it off of his if I don't use store bought skinless chicken ) AND if I make breaded chicken I leave it on....but,  I can't see it when eating it. If a turkey is roasted and the skin is dry and crispy I will also have a tiny bit of it with the white meat,,, and I do like Chicken wings. However, I order them well-done and crispy and won't eat them if they don't come to me that way.

What about raw chicken and turkey?Would you stand there peeling all the skin off that iff you fed it? I sure dont have the patience for it....

Naw I probably wouldn't either...but then I don't feed raw hardly at all, and the chicken or turkey necks that I do feed Bubby, yes, I pull the skin off.  If there is a tiny bit, I don't worry about it.   I just can't see a reason to eat skin, it seems like just plain fat.  HHHHmmmm~

Oh, Becca, reading your post reminded me.. Trudy LOVES mangos!!

I remove the skin & fat from the chicken thighs i use in my doggie stew and still have some fat in the "juice.".  i also worry about pancreitis as a couple of dogs on my golden forums have had this and in both cases owners were question about fat.  And my DIL's sister's pittie had it and she was also questioned about giving fat to him.  up until these incidents i had never thought about it and did give skin, fat, etc to my dogs, but have stopped.  Probably nothing to worry about, but like Dyan, i just don't like to take chances.
 
Mine love veggies and get a vareity of fruits and veggies cooked in their stew, and when i give canned salmon or mackeral, they get canned (unsalted) veggies with it  As i have said before, my Irish Setter that i had a few years preferred furits and veggies over meat, silly boy.

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Here is a site with the listed bad foods to provide your fur kids.
 
This is what I go by and most importantly sticking too it.