Diamond and Timberwolf

There is no proof of it, and I personally highly doubt it. 

Hey Charlie. Good to see you over here.  There has been discussions of that here:
[linkhttp://forum.dog.com/asp/tm.asp?m=20373&mpage=2&key]http://forum.dog.com/asp/tm.asp?m=20373&mpage=2&key[/link]=
 
BTW, Scout's entered in his first hunt test of the year this saturday. 

Sharon already posted in another thread the parent company that owns timberwolf and the parent company that owns diamond. They are different companies. Anyone is capable of doing research to show that companies are owned by the same people, if such evidence exists. It takes more than just someone's suspicion of an idea for it to be fact. I say this, not in defense of Sharon or against anyone else, but simply as a way to keep the discussion objective. You would be surprised how much this ditch-digging electrician can find with Google and and some idle time.
 
To date, there is no factual evidence to show that TO is owned by Diamond and there is, in fact, evidence to the contrary, that they are wholly separate companies.

Hey there!  Scout is looking good, good luck in the hunt tests this Sat.
 
Charlie

I don't think it would have to be proven that TO is owned by Diamond... but rather that TO's company contracts Diamond's company's facilities... which would be a lot harder to find out.

Sharon has specifically denied that Daimond manufactures TO based upon the fact TO is produced in an APHIS certified plant which Diamond doesn't have any of.  I don't know any more about it.

I have also seen that TO was manufactured by Diamond, but it is not in their listing.  I also saw where some use plants owned by--say Diamond-- to make their food.  And it was suggested that Diamond plant did make TO.  I have no idea. I do know all about umbrella companies--can be like a pyramid and you can hardly find out who is the at the top and actually owns all the rest.  For Instance, A owns B, C and D.  Well, B owns E, F, G, and H.  C owns I and J, and D owns K, L, M, N, and O.  Meanwhile E owns 1 and 2, F owns 3, G owns 4,5,6 7 &8,  and on down the line.  It is mightly hard to trace it all the way back to A.
 
I do not really thing Diamond owns TO, but as to the TO being made in their plant, might be, might not be.  Who knows for sure.

Well, regardless, TWO does not own it's own plant and has to "job" out the manufacturing process to someone. The problem with this is control. It would be VERY hard to TWO to know that their formulas where being stictly followed. Here steps in quality control problems and issues with customer service. Z company can not produce the food as quickly as A company needs it. Corners start getting cut to produce the food faster and company A has no idea that these things are happing. Company Z has to be able to produce the food in a timely fashion in order to keep the contract for the production of the food. Thinking about all the issues that have come up with TWO lately, I wonder if something like this might be going on.
It is VERY expensive to maintain APHIS certified plants and I am curious how any company that has one can afford to stop production of THEIR food in order to run another companies food. Surely they couldn't be making near the money on contract production as they would on their own finished product.

I agree in regards to the issue being not who owns the company, parent company, etc., but where is the stuff manufactured?  It seems like the lid is on this one tight.  Surely people must have contacted the TO on this rumor.  Why don#%92t we know or can#%92t find the answer?  I guess it#%92s a no-brainer sales would plummet if it were true.  Hmmm, why else would the lid be on so tight?  We know companies do contract out to other manufacturers to produce feeds.  There was a follow post in regards to the yahoo group, and this was apparently first brought up at a popular GSD site where a user claimed Diamond was the manufacturer of TO.   In any event, I am skeptical simply because there seems to be a lid on this question and there is seems to be no clean answer.
 
Charlie

It's not that simple Charlie.  Where/who manufactures food is highly proprietary info closely guared by most of the manufacturers - not just TWO.

I have a question...

I've got 8 cases of Serengeti in the old bags, 8 cases of Wilderness Elk and 16 generic bags of Serengeti ( silver w/an ingredient sticker ). Yep...I'll have to admit I was really PO'd and wrote them saying I didn't appreciate their 'bait and switch' tactics. They wrote back saying it wasn't 'bait and switch' and that the packaging plant did this all on their own w/o their knowledge.

http://forum.dog.com/asp/tm.asp?m=6235&mpage=2&key= post 30


I don't know exactly what being APHIS certified entails, but would an APHIS certified plant do something like this?

Why do they want to keep it secret?  Doesn't make sense to me...if all is on the up and up.  And with ANY company, who the heck knows.

Why does it matter so much? I'm serious. There's so much fuss about TO. If you don't like something that they do, don't feed it. If you don't trust the company, don't use the product. If you don't like the ingredients, don't use the product.

There are SO many choices. The options are LIMITLESS. You don't even have to buy dog food at all!

I really just don't get it.

Kelly…I looked at the link you posted to the other thread.  Interesting, TO shipped all that in a bait and switch type tatic?  Well, priority probably goes to the products that have to be moved, regardless of what the distributor orders.
 
But, what I really find interesting is this talk about “generic bags”.  Now that is a red flag situation.  What happened?  How could there be a sudden shortage of regular TO bags?
Here#%92s what I think…the bag shortage occurred because something had happened, product had to be destroyed and the supplier of the regular bag is now in a jam and couldn#%92t get the bags out quick enough, so they were forced to use a generic bag.
Now I am wondering, did this generic bag by coincidence pop up at the same time the Diamond problems had surfaced?  Hmmm, what else could have caused a sudden need for new bags quick?  Starting to see a connection?  Maybe there is some truth to the rumor.
 
Ok, the girl who posted at the yahoo group supplied name of the poster and provided a link to the original post at the GSD site.  Apparently, this was confirmed by a phone call to Diamond they produced TO at the Gaston plant.