Dog Community

Posted : 12/7/2006 12:47:26 AM

Cooked, if added into the kibble.

Raw, if fed separate. (It digests at a different rate than kibble, which could cause stomach upsets if fed together)

ron2

Posted : 12/7/2006 7:44:23 AM

Raw meat can be higher in fat because the fat hasn't been cooked down and drained. I believe it is at least partially the high fat that overworks an ailing pancreas.

loveukaykay

Posted : 12/7/2006 1:44:27 PM

Right, I would stick with cooked.

Are you giving an enzyme? For a dog prone to pancreatitis I would highly suggest giving the pancreas the extra help to lower the chances of upsetting it.

ottoluv

Posted : 12/7/2006 2:14:05 PM

My dog growing up had pancreatitis, actually died from a bad bout

What stimulates the pancreas to produce the enzymes is the food in the stomach (acidified) going past the pylorous so adding a pancreatic enzyme won't unfortunately decrease the work of the pancreas. The best thing to do is to modify to a low fat diet

The enzymes are great however for a pancreas that is scarred from chronic pancreatitis and isn't able to produce the sufficient amount of enzymes to digest food. Hope this helps.

jessies_mom

Posted : 12/7/2006 3:32:01 PM

Cooked, if added into the kibble.

Raw, if fed separate. (It digests at a different rate than kibble, which could cause stomach upsets if fed together

I recently learned that a gastroenterologist ( Dr.DC Twedt, DVM, DACVIM) has determined that kibble leaves the stomach in 5 to 8 hours, so it's fine to feed the two together; I do and Jessie never has any problems.

willowchow

Posted : 12/7/2006 3:45:26 PM

Thank you Jessie's mom! I had been reading here for months how kibble takes hours and hours to digest. But, that wasn't what I had read elsewhere. So, thanks.

Also, I've read that as far as fat goes, raw fat is much better and less likely to cause issues than cooked fat is.

brookcove

Posted : 12/7/2006 7:58:22 PM

My vet says the same thing. Both should be minimized but cooked fat is particularly a trigger.

We've done just fine adding raw meat to Doug's diet - he had pancreatitis in June. We have been giving him ground turkey and venison, and he's been eating Canidae Platinum and Solid Gold Holistique. We started with about a teaspoon and added a little more each week until he was eating about 8 oz a day.

jessies_mom

Posted : 12/7/2006 8:41:03 PM

Thank you Jessie's mom! I had been reading here for months how kibble takes hours and hours to digest. But, that wasn't what I had read elsewhere. So, thanks.

I thought it took a long time to digest too because I've heard it on here so much, and was surprised to learn that it leaves the stomach fairly quickly. It does make sense that it digests well since many companies state that their kibble is 90% or more digestible.

M.W.Lewis

Posted : 12/7/2006 8:42:38 PM

Ottoluv- that's very good info!

audkal

Posted : 12/7/2006 10:49:42 PM

Thanks all so much for the info! [

]

chewbecca

Posted : 12/8/2006 6:47:18 AM

I KNOW from experience with my own dog that kibble DOES NOT stay in the system long.
I feed her raw and I feed her kibble at times.
Because of the kibble I feed (T.O.) there is a very DISTINCT color and consistency to her kibble poop.
Her poop from raw is COMPLETELY different.
When she used to get constipated when I began feeding her raw, I'd give her kibble to see if she was really constipated or just possibly utilizing more of the raw food than kibble.
Sure enough, no more than 4 hours later she'd poop a kibble poop.

jessies_mom

Posted : 12/8/2006 8:51:05 AM

Sure enough, no more than 4 hours later she'd poop a kibble poop.

Wow; I thought I was observant about Jessie's poop but I never kept track of how soon she pooped after eating. [

] Do you think that the kibble may have provided some fiber that the raw didn't have? [align=right]

ron2

Posted : 12/8/2006 8:58:26 AM

Do you think that the kibble may have provided some fiber that the raw didn't have?

I believe that is correct. Some insoluble fiber stimulates the system to excrete and can provide a more timely digestion. Otherwise, why would pumpkin work to regulate the bowels?

chewbecca

Posted : 12/8/2006 9:02:53 AM

ORIGINAL: jessies_mom

Sure enough, no more than 4 hours later she'd poop a kibble poop.

Wow; I thought I was observant about Jessie's poop but I never kept track of how soon she pooped after eating. [] Do you think that the kibble may have provided some fiber that the raw didn't have? [align=right]

Oh, it is completely possible.
BUT, by the looks, it was a STRAIGHT kibble poop. No raw food in it what-so-ever. I've seen raw/kibble combo poops, so I can tell the difference.
hahaha. I'm VERY observant with Ella's poop because of the fact that I sometimes provide her with two completely different diets.

Margaret Tyler

Posted : 12/8/2006 7:02:43 PM

ORIGINAL: chewbecca

if you're going to add meat, my suggestion would be to add a non-fatty meat like fish or goat (I believe that goat is a relatively lean meat).

Great point. And Natural Balance Fish and Sweet Potato is simple.

Grain-free, bad for dogs with Pancreatitis?