Eukanuba Puppy- Large Breed? Iams- Smart Puppy? THoughts, good the bad the ugly?

Okay, I read it and still didn't see the facts or figures or proof that Ol Roy is sending dogs to early graves and causing horrible illnesses like has been stated here on this forum

 
And you won't find it. Any such cases are mostly anecdotal, which means not published in a peer-reviewed journal, such as JVMA papers. Just as, there are might be plenty of dogs that get bones stuck but they evidence is anecdotal, i.e., non-published. The vets involved haven't taken the time to document and collate the evidence to produce a report for peer review. Their work load might be too much.
 
Anyway, the only case I know of where a dog fed Ol Roy improved by eating another was one I heard about from a drywall boss on the fire station I did in Melissa. I didn't see his dog, he just told me, anecdotally. He took in a re-homed toy dog that he knew was being fed Ol Roy. He switched her to Purina One, the brand and formula he's always had good luck with. Immediately, her coat improved, along with her energy, etc. About that time, I was trying Innova and gave to a co-worker my open bag of Nutro. He gave it to his dog, a Lab/Pit. She immediately improved from the grocery store brand she had been eating, but I never saw her, so it was anecdotal. I saw that Shadow was having an allergic reaction to or in conjunction with the Innova. When I switched back to Nutro, the symptom went away. That is anecdotal. I know what I saw, but it is not documented suitable for peer-review in a medical journal.
 
JoJo had commented that eating Ol Roy was like eating corn mush and a multi-vitamin. During the 40's and 50's, when most people didn't have dog food and there was nothing left over from the roast or whatever, the dogs got corn mush and bacon fat, no multi-vitamin, at least in my wife's family. The dogs also ran loose and probably hunted mice in the fields.
 
IMHO, Ol Roy is a food that wouldn't be suited well for my dog but I will not assume that it won't work for someone else's dog. I mean, I agree with JoJo's and Luvntzu's point that someone's dogs could probably do well or better on something other than Ol Roy but that is just an ubsubstantiated opinion on my part. Personally, I would rather do without a meal, if necessary, to afford what I feed rather than buy Ol Roy.
 
Now, if a vet sees the dog who seems to be doing poorly on Ol Roy and suggests a SD rx or a Purina all stages, is that so bad? Here's a person who will quantify the condition with entries into the patient's log.
 
I wouldn't feed Ol Roy if you paid me to, but I still hold to the notion that if a food works, feed it.

Euk and Iams are not on the list of "would feed" foods in my house.
 
Butterfly, I've not read the entire thread since it's pretty tedious, but any of the Innova line are excellent  ([linkhttp://www.naturapet.com]www.naturapet.com[/link])  and their Cal Natural would probably be wonderful for your guy with digestion issues.
 
The rest of you, for crying out loud can we just stay on topic, stop the personal attacks and try to HELP?????

You can pretty much find a web page that will support anything you want.  This one looks pretty hokey IMO.  I would stick with more credible sources for information.

I agree, the arguing is getting alittle ridiculous, I fed my puppy Iams small breed puppy at first, no problems but he just didn't seem to really eat very much.  The vet said he was gaining weight fine but I still was paranoid so I switched to Innova puppy (rec by a friend who owns a local pet food store) which he seems to like a bit more.  The Iams is quite a bit less expensive, but not a big deal since I have a chihuahua who eats very little

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You can pretty much find a web page that will support anything you want.  This one looks pretty hokey IMO.  I would stick with more credible sources for information.

How about this one?http://www.fda.gov/cvm/FOI/dfchart.htm

better, FDA definately not hokey.  But notice that results obtained in 1998, reported in 2001, it was stated in another thread that quality of dog food ingredients has improved vastly and this data is almost 10 years old.  Also, FDA does not state anything about where the phenobarb came from.  It's just some people's assumption it comes from euthanized pound puppies and not from the other meat sources.  Not trying to nitpick but I guess it's in my nature to be skeptical and overanalyze

Here is the prior page on the FDA web site that states they also tested for dog/cat DNA in the food and it was absent so there is absolutely no evidence that the phenobarb came from euthanized pets, probably from the meat sources they use.  Gotta love science!!!
 
Dogs, cats not found in dog food
Because pentobarbital is used to euthanize dogs and cats at animal shelters, finding pentobarbital in rendered feed ingredients could suggest that the pets were rendered and used in pet food.
CVM scientists, as part of their investigation, developed a test to detect dog and cat DNA in the protein of the dog food.  All samples from the most recent dog food survey (2000) that tested positive for pentobarbital, as well as a subset of samples that tested negative, were examined for the presence of remains derived from dogs or cats.  The results demonstrated a complete absence of material that would have been derived from euthanized dogs or cats.  The sensitivity of this method is 0.005% on a weight/weight basis; that is, the method can detect a minimum of 5 pounds of rendered remains in 50 tons of finished feed.  Presently, it is assumed that the pentobarbital residues are entering pet foods from euthanized, rendered cattle or even horses.
 
Here is the link
[linkhttp://www.fda.gov/cvm/FOI/DFreport.htm]http://www.fda.gov/cvm/FOI/DFreport.htm[/link]

Yeah, that's been posted several times. I still don't see how it makes it any better that it is coming from euthanized cattle instead of dogs. But, hopefully it isn't as common now anyway.

eukanuba large breed puppy food doesn't contain enough calcium to support proper bone growth-- it's at 0.8%. Ideal for large breed puppies is 1.5% or so. Iams, well, you can do worse. You can also do much better. Why not?

You can also do much better. Why not?

I agree