WHAT is with the Purina people?

I just checked out that site and i have no idea who wrote it, but i am certain my dogs are not eating buzzards, gulls,  etc in their food.  In the first place, they are NOT poultry, they are simply birds According to my dictionary, Poultry is defined as domestic fowls, chickens, ducks, geese. I have never in my life seen a domesticated buzzard or gull. So when a company says they are using poultry or poultry meal or by products, they are not using buzzards and gulls as stated  on that site as possible.  Now if they just said they were using birds, well that would be different.
 
I don't know about the Pedigree plant, but a few have posted here that either they have been inside a Purina plant or knows someone who has and that in each post they said the same--it was cleaner than any human food plant they had been in.  Also quality control was strict (and I was told this by the lady at Purina.  They are controled on both state and federal level.  Well, i can't believe if they are this strict on being clean, they would purchase  dead skunks, etc to put into their food.
 
 

Edie, I honestly don't know if switching every meal would bother my crew or not.  I see no reason to do that.  Dogs don't crave variety like some people do, they eat for different reasons than most humans do.  If you want to switch kibbles every meal, that's your choice.  I think it's a silly one....but that's MY opinion and I'm certainly not going to browbeat you over it.  I think OTHERS, regardless of what they feed or why, deserve the same consideration.

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Edie you  have put the list of ingredeints for Dog Chow.  Sandra and I have stated that we feed Purina One.  But I am sure you will find problems with that too. 
Are you running a restaurant for your dog...changing food as often as you do?  I don't see the point in that but hey..if it works for you and your dogs and they are healty and happy and you are too well more power to you.

ORIGINAL: mudpuppy

I used to feed Purina, and not even one of their better products. I thought the poor dogs were doing fine on it. Now that I have dogs that really ARE doing well, looking back, I realize those Purina fed dogs weren't. Which is why I have trouble believing people who claim their dogs are "doing well" on such foods. I go to the dog park and look at the greasy, smelly, saggy body structure, dirty teeth, huge poop piles, and all of those dog owners think their dogs are "doing well" on the stuff they feed. They just haven't seen a dog that is truly doing well. I have a friend, deeply into dog-showing, who used to feed proplan. Dogs looked pretty good, nothing to complain about. She was talking into trying a super-premium food by her vet of all people, and a month later she came to class, and we, not knowing about the food change, were shocked at how much better her two dogs looked, and loudly commented on it to her and amongst ourselves. We'd thought they were fine, too, but in hindsight, it was clear they weren't as fine as they could have been.
So I flat-out don't believe anyone who feeds these mediocre foods and claims it is "the best" for their particular dog. At the very least you can supplement your purina with some fresh food and some fish body oil.

Me, too.  I fed Purina once upon a time.  I thought all dogs stank.  Now I know better.

ORIGINAL: chinook

So I flat-out don't believe anyone who feeds these mediocre foods and claims it is "the best" for their particular dog.

So you're saying that Purina feeders are killing their dogs right?  You're condemning the Purina feeders and saying they don't care about their dogs?  The Purina fed dogs are dying a slow agonizing death, is that what you're saying?  So I understand you correctly, you're saying that Purina feeders should force-feed their dogs Innova?  It seems you are also saying that feeding Purina is akin to putting a shotgun to the dog's head?  You are also implying that no dog can live to be over 10 years old on Purina, right?  No dog has ever done well on Purina? Is that what you're saying Mudpuppy?

I didn't think so, but I thought I'd save the Purina feeders some typing.

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ORIGINAL: chinook

So I flat-out don't believe anyone who feeds these mediocre foods and claims it is "the best" for their particular dog.

So you're saying that Purina feeders are killing their dogs right?  You're condemning the Purina feeders and saying they don't care about their dogs?  The Purina fed dogs are dying a slow agonizing death, is that what you're saying?  So I understand you correctly, you're saying that Purina feeders should force-feed their dogs Innova?  It seems you are also saying that feeding Purina is akin to putting a shotgun to the dog's head?  You are also implying that no dog can live to be over 10 years old on Purina, right?  No dog has ever done well on Purina? Is that what you're saying Mudpuppy?

I didn't think so, but I thought I'd save the Purina feeders some typing

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ORIGINAL: glenmar

Edie, I honestly don't know if switching every meal would bother my crew or not. I see no reason to do that. Dogs don't crave variety like some people do, they eat for different reasons than most humans do. If you want to switch kibbles every meal, that's your choice. I think it's a silly one....but that's MY opinion and I'm certainly not going to browbeat you over it. I think OTHERS, regardless of what they feed or why, deserve the same consideration.

I agree.
I mean, I think that changing kibbles EVERY meal or everyday, or every week even is unnecessary. I think variety is more important with a raw diet because of the vitamins and minerals factor. With kibble, all of those extra vitamins and minerals are already added.

Feeding Purina One isn't feeding corn as first ingredient therefore my dog is not a corn dog....so I guess those who feed pedigree have corn dogs.  IMHO I think if it works and dog is healthy why change.  Changing can make them ill.

Pedigree is made by the same company that makes M&M's (Masterfoods).  I've been through the M&M's plant and it sure is very very clean.  I guess that automatically makes M&M's healthy.

By the way, my sister in law was in the marketing department at Masterfoods.  Her latest project was to market chocolate as health food.  LOL

It is a known fact that dark chocolate does have health benefits for people.  That doesn't mean to eat tons of it.

I just checked out that site and i have no idea who wrote it,

Which site are you referring to?Mordanna's site has been linked on here a million times before if thats what you're referring to,so i'm sure you've read it before..

Edie you  have put the list of ingredeints for Dog Chow.  Sandra and I have stated that we feed Purina One.

Emm,no....Those are the ingredients for pedigree chicken and rice,so you can relax []

ORIGINAL: Edie

Why would a vet,a health care professional, who is supposed to have their patients health and wellbeing at heart recommend someone feed this to their dog for every meal,every day?[&:]

>edigree chicken & Rice:
Ground Whole Corn, Meat and Bone Meal, Corn Gluten Meal,Chicken By-product Meal, Animal Fat (preserved with BHA/BHT), Natural Poultry Flavor, Wheat Flour, Chicken, Rice, Dried Whole Peas, Wheat Mill Run, Dried Beet Pulp, Wheat Gluten, Salt, Carrot Powder, Potassium Chloride, Vegetable Oil (Source of Linoleic Acid), Caramel Color, Vitamins (Choline Chloride, dl-Alpha Tocopherol Acetate [Source of Vitamin E], L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate [Source of Vitamin C*], Vitamin A Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate [Vitamin B1], Biotin, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin Supplement [Vitamin B2], Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement), Minerals (Zinc Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Potassium Iodide), Added FD&C and Lake Colors (Yellow 6, Blue 2, Red 40, Yellow 5). *Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO Dog Food Nutrient Profiles. 320 kcal per 8-oz. (86g) cup (345 kcal per 100g) GUARANTEED ANALYSIS Crude Protein (min.) 26.0% Crude Fat min. 10.0% Crude Fiber max. 4.0% Moisture max. 12.0%


Scoobychick the bolded ingredients would cause me concern,the ingredients in Red would would scare me too much to feed a dog [&:] BHT and BHA(your food contains both [sm=eek.gif]) along with the colors have been linked to cancer.Dogs are meat eaters and their food should contain mostly meat.

Please take a look at the below links,they will help you better understand what should and should not be in your dogs food

[linkhttp://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=betterproducts]http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=betterproducts[/link]
[linkhttp://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=labelinfo101]http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=labelinfo101[/link]
[linkhttp://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=betterproducts]http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=betterproducts[/link]
[linkhttp://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=badingredients]http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=badingredients[/link] <<<<

 
 
Regarding BHA/BHT, fromhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BHT :
 
BHT is a suspected [linkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutagen]mutagen[/link] and [linkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcinogen]carcinogen[/link]
BHT has been banned for use in food in Japan ([linkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1958]1958[/link]), Romania, [linkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden]Sweden[/link], and [linkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia]Australia[/link]. The US has barred it from being used in infant foods. However some food industries have eliminated it from their products, including [linkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald%27s]McDonald's[/link] as of [linkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986]1986[/link].
 
Is this honestly what you want going thruogh your poor dog's system every day for the rest of its life? If my vet advised me to feed this I would find a different vet.

Is that live or finish the testing

 
  It's finish the testing. They must pass a physical exam by a veterinarian before starting the test, and for the test to be successful they cannot lose more than 15% of thier body weight. At the end of the test four blood values are measured for hemoglobin, packed cell volume, serum alkaline phosphate, and serum albumin.

We also know that Wikipedia is NOT the best resource on information also.