WHAT is with the Purina people?

AHHHHHH!!!!! I have to compare those now too????
 
 
 
 
 
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Well what is strange is that I have posted numerous links to articles on how dog food is made together with some of the ingredients to avoid feeding your pet and why.  I notice that almost nobody apparently has read them, since there are no comments on the foods under discussion being made out of many of those "bad ingredients". Rather it seems to be a few people  trying to convince the others that they have a right to feed their dog anything they want and nobody should imply that they aren't being very good to their pet when they do this. I go into a Dunkin Donuts in the morning and get a cup of coffee and I see so many parents with children that are 4-10 years old, giving them a donut and a coke for breakfast.  I think they are crazy feeding their kids sugar and grease before they go to school since those are the main ingredients that are in what their kids are ingesting, but if I said anything to them, an arguement would most probably result.Would they stop feeding their kids this junk, after the argument?  I doubt it.. I look at the defence of these very poor pet food products as the same type of thing.

It is pretty easy to grab a bag of dog food and read what it is made of. That is called the ingredients.  If I decide to make people food and on my ingredients list I have known carcinogens, high trans fats, lots of saturated fat, refined grains, and tons of sugar, it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that this might not be a good item to have in your pantry and to feed your kids on a daily basis. If someone got  on a forum and tried to defend their right to feed this product to their children,  because the kids like it and they seem to be OK, people would probably post critical post after critical post about what this person is probably doing to their childrens future health.

It is the same thing with many of the ingredients in foods like Purina.  They have all kinds of bad stuff in them and many of these ingredients have been proven to cause problems when used long term. I am not going to get into a discussion of each of these ingredients , because if anyone is really interested in finding out what they are really feeding their dog, they they should read the material on all the links that have been posted on this thread, mostly by me and learn what is good and bad in the food they are using. Here is a good link to start with
[linkhttp://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=badingredients]http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=badingredients[/link]

All you have to do is get a bag of your dog's food and read the list of ingredients and then look at that site and see how your food stacks up.    Now if you don't like reading material that shows that what you are feeding your pet is probably doing eventual harm to your pet's health, and you are the type of person that doesn't want to confront scientific facts that disagree with your ideas, then you probably won't read any of these threads.  A few hundred years ago, some people  would have  called  other people that disagreed with them screwballs for stating that the  world was round rather than flat.. The sad thing is that your pet will pay for your lack of understanding of the subject.

Good try though. The OSPCA gains $5 so far for your effort. My original offer still stands. Let's make it $25...anyone?

 
Dang, why did my folks bring me up not to lie!  That $25 would have been good for the SPCA, but even the $5 helps.  If you can give me an address, I will send them $5 also!  You cn PM it to me if you wish.

ORIGINAL: Bobsk8

I notice that almost nobody apparently has read them, since there are no comments on the foods under discussion being made out of many of those "bad ingredients".

I think most people here have read the information, but what they do with it is up to them.

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notice that almost nobody apparently has read them, since there are no comments on the foods under discussion being made out of many of those "bad ingredients". Rather it seems to be a few people  trying to convince the others that they have a right to feed their dog anything they want and nobody should imply that they aren't being very good to their pet when they do this.

I think that is because, 1. most of of us read those articles at least once. Especially Lillians.  2. I don't honestly think this thead got started because anyone wants to learn whats good and bad for their pets--I do believe that is being discussed in another thread or two or three,,or more.   The name of this thead is "WHAT is with the Purina people?" 

The sad thing is that your pet will pay for your lack of understanding of the subject.

I think that is kind of the point here. Many people are saying that their pet is older and free of disease and has been givin a clean bill of health by their vet, have shiny coats and eyes and not feeding the foods that some of us think is good.  They might understand so much more that you think.

ORIGINAL: Bobsk8

If someone got  on a forum and tried to defend their right to feed this product to their children,  because the kids like it and they seemto be OK, people would probably post critical post after critical post about what this person is probably doing to their childrens future health.

And they only seem to be ok why? because its not your view of an ideal diet? But if two forty year old men come into a clinic (one junkfood junkie and the other organic foods only), and both have excellent bloodwork, healthy cholesteral and body fitness, would you say that the junkfood eating guy only SEEMS ok? Why would that be?

This is what I still dont understand and no one has bothered to answer. Why if someone (or someones pet) has a less than ideal diet (in your opinion) why cant they do as well as someone with an *ideal* diet? Is it only the results of the 'healthy' fed dog that you take into consideration?

My great grandmother is a rice/fried chicken/pork type of woman, whom I dont think has ever eaten salad in her life, except for potato salad and she is one of the healthiest older women I have seen. No high blood pressure, excellent cholesteral levels and just generally healthy.

My great grandfather (on my dads side) was a total health nut. Everything he ate he grew/raised in ways he saw proper. His foods were organic, and healthy in ways that even a nutritionist would envy. He died at age 59 from a heart attack.

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Since you can't know if you (or your dog) have won the genetic lottery until you are (or aren't) elderly, why not do everything possible to tip the scales in your favor?

great post Bobsk8!
 
Would you encourage your child to eat fried junk every day on the off chance that he/she is one of the lucky ones who can remain healthy to an advanced age on such a diet?
Most junk-food fed dogs and humans seem healthy until they hit late middle age. Then and only then do you start to see the problems setting in.

Most junk-food fed dogs and humans seem healthy until they hit late middle age. Then and only then do you start to see the problems setting in.

 
And the same applies to premium fed dogs and humans who have eaten perfect their entire lives.  I don't care what you eat, you can not  revent your organs and joints from becoming  old and worn.  If so no dog or human eating perfect would ever die. Every living thing dies and it isn't just because it reaches a certain age.  The bodies wear out.  There is no getting around that.
 
I have never seen a statement on a bag from What-a-burger stating that my burger, fries, coke and fried pie is completely balanced and nutirtious.  I do see that on my bags of dog food.  Therefor I don't think comparing fast food to bags of dog food is a real comparison.

ORIGINAL: dyan

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notice that almost nobody apparently has read them, since there are no comments on the foods under discussion being made out of many of those "bad ingredients". Rather it seems to be a few people  trying to convince the others that they have a right to feed their dog anything they want and nobody should imply that they aren't being very good to their pet when they do this.

I think that is because, 1. most of of us read those articles at least once. Especially Lillians.  2. I don't honestly think this thead got started because anyone wants to learn whats good and bad for their pets--I do believe that is being discussed in another thread or two or three,,or more.   The name of this thead is "WHAT is with the Purina people?" 

The sad thing is that your pet will pay for your lack of understanding of the subject.

I think that is kind of the point here. Many people are saying that their pet is older and free of disease and has been givin a clean bill of health by their vet, have shiny coats and eyes and not feeding the foods that some of us think is good.  They might understand so much more that you think.

But that is not  how you should judge what a healthy diet or habit is.  i.e  Old Uncle Charlie smoked 3 packs of Camels a day and drank a fifth of Bourbon every 3 days and why  he lived till he was 82 soooooo.......  That proves there is nothing wrong with smoking and heavy drinking........... We all know that is a ridiculous conclusion  and it is just as ridiculous  to feed a pet a diet made of harmful and worthless ingredients and claim it is good for your dog  because your particular dog has survived so far!!   Feed the same diet to 1,000s of animals and compare and see what happens to them in the long term.  That is what is done in research under carefully controlled studies. To discount this  research and it's conclusions because some marketing person from a large corporation that is totally based on profit, convinced you that despite the cheap crud that is in the food you are feeding your dog, it is good for the dog, then as far as I am concerned  you have been suckered......

My choice of Purina is not based on one pet "surviving SO FAR"  It is not based on ads or claims by the company, and it is not based on company name.  It is based on over 50 years of watching our Purina dogs live long, healthy, active lives, usually beyond life expectancy.  And believe me, our setters and pointers led very active lives in the field because not only did we hunt them, so did kinfolks when we weren't.
 
EDITED  I think i would consider myself suckered IF I changed the food my dogs are doing great on because I went into a panic over posts telling me it was garbage and my dogs were doing to die young and they were going to get sick, etc.

ORIGINAL: sandra_slayton


I have never seen a statement on a bag from What-a-burger stating that my burger, fries, coke and fried pie is completely balanced and nutirtious.  I do see that on my bags of dog food.  Therefor I don't think comparing fast food to bags of dog food is a real comparison.

Sigh. The "people food industry" isn't required to balance one food for people to live on their entire lives. If that were the case, I'm sure McDonald's or What a Burger could come up with the same claims as the dog food bag.

Also, from what I've heard, the AAFCO studies of a "complete and balanced diet" involved dogs simply surviving the studies. It's complete and balanced to keep a dog alive.

[8D] I think I need to go back to the 25 page TWO thread and discuss dog poop, crockpotting and salmon oil.   []  
 
ROFL amen...let's talk about poop!!!  Thanks for the grins!

Bobsk8 you must think that we are a bunch of dolts.   I do know what an ingredients list is. I have read the ingredients on the bag of food. 
I will say that the best of the best ingredients aren't there but I know that their are other brands such as Nutro and Euk and Iams that have similar ingredients.  Ah but then you will say Euk and Iams and probably Nutro are all crud.
It seems that Purina is making steps to compete with the Heavenly Premium foods you feed.  I don't believe that by feeding Purina One that I am killing my dog or setting him up for health problems.  Either he will be prone to it or not food won't make that much of a difference...I think shots and meds are more damaging.  Hell, the environment is bad enough itself.  It seems that alot of brands have the econo version as well as the Premium.  This whole discussion once again has gotten heated and codesceding.

ORIGINAL: sandra_slayton

 I don't care what you eat, you can not  revent your organs and joints from becoming  old and worn.  If so no dog or human eating perfect would ever die. Every living thing dies and it isn't just because it reaches a certain age.  The bodies wear out.  There is no getting around that.

 
So according to that line or reasoning, why bother caring at all what you, or your children, or your pets eat?  We are all going to die anyway, right?