Benefits from a small amount of canned?

• schlep Posted : 3/29/2006 7:50:52 PM Cool, thanks papillon. 0 LIKE Like Share You have posted to a forum that requires a moderator to approve posts before they are publicly available. Hey, it's way more fun when you sign up or log in Connect With Connect With Sign Up Login
• jessies_mom Posted : 3/29/2006 8:16:18 PM If you mix that much raw (one cup) in with the kibble, won't you be upsetting the calcium-phosphorus balance in the kibble?            [linkhttp://www.littleshopofterrors.citymax.com/page/page/537956.htm]http://www.littleshopofterrors.citymax.com/page/page/537956.htm[/link]           Go down to the sixth question on FAQ's.        Also,  [linkhttp://www.greatdanelady.com/articles/raw_diet_options.htm]http://www.greatdanelady.com/articles/raw_diet_options.htm[/link]     I know with Eagle Pack Holistic I can add up to 25% raw and not upset the calcium-phosphorus ratio of the kibble. I think you should ask the maker of the kibble you're feeding how much raw you can add to the food. The proper balance of calcium and phosphorus is very important for puppies.      0 LIKE Like Share You have posted to a forum that requires a moderator to approve posts before they are publicly available. Hey, it's way more fun when you sign up or log in Connect With Connect With Sign Up Login
• schlep Posted : 3/29/2006 8:21:14 PM Yeah, that was my concern. Ok, here's my feeding schedule for the moment (assuming the phosphorus and calcium is ok). He's 27-28 pounds. Breakfast (8-9AM): 3/4 cup Solid Gold Wolfcub Lunch (3-4PM): 1 1/4 cups Solid Gold Wolfcub + 1/2 cup FarMore Raw Chicken Diet Dinner (7-8PM): 1/2 cup Solid Gold Wolfcub + 1/2 cup Farmore Raw Chicken Diet + 1/4 tsp Solid Gold Seameal (slowly reintroducing it; at his weight they recommend 1 tsp daily) I also usually give him an Eagle Pack Menhaden Hollistix and one or two Solid Gold Cinnabones a day. I'm just really paranoid about all this nutrition stuff. [sm=lame.gif] 0 LIKE Like Share You have posted to a forum that requires a moderator to approve posts before they are publicly available. Hey, it's way more fun when you sign up or log in Connect With Connect With Sign Up Login
• jennie_c_d Posted : 3/29/2006 9:18:03 PM No, because the raw is a balanced diet, canned is a balanced diet, and kibble is a balanced diet. I don't think that you can unbalance a balanced diet by adding it to another balanced diet. 0 LIKE Like Share You have posted to a forum that requires a moderator to approve posts before they are publicly available. Hey, it's way more fun when you sign up or log in Connect With Connect With Sign Up Login
• schlep Posted : 3/29/2006 10:18:49 PM I was just looking through the brochure I picked up with the raw food today. It says that the "D.M. Basis", which I'm guessing stands for 'dry matter,' calcium content is 1.5-1.7% and phosphorus is .5-.7%. The calcium is the same as Wolfcub (1.5%), but the phosphorus in Wolfcub is 1.2% max. Do you think this will cause a problem? Would supplementing with a beef/buffalo knuckle bone or another size bone once a week or so balance it out? 0 LIKE Like Share You have posted to a forum that requires a moderator to approve posts before they are publicly available. Hey, it's way more fun when you sign up or log in Connect With Connect With Sign Up Login
• glenmar Posted : 3/30/2006 6:46:34 AM It's the over all balance you need to focus on.  Daily, it's ok for dogs,just like for people, not to get everything from the food pyramid, so long as over the course of the week, things are balanced out.   My last foster litter started getting raw along with the big guys at about 5 or 6 weeks.  It's only a once a week thing so no biggie.  If you are buying nutritionally "complete" products it should be fine to mix the frozen raw in.   Consider tho that what you pay for canned, especially when it comes to the high quality canned, you could homecook feed many extra meals of homecooked, which is FRESH. 0 LIKE Like Share You have posted to a forum that requires a moderator to approve posts before they are publicly available. Hey, it's way more fun when you sign up or log in Connect With Connect With Sign Up Login
• papillon806 Posted : 3/30/2006 9:10:04 AM It's the over all balance you need to focus on.  Daily, it's ok for dogs,just like for people, not to get everything from the food pyramid, so long as over the course of the week, things are balanced out. Very true! Relax schlep [] You have a very good idea of an acceptable feeding regimen you listed above, and I definatley think you're on the right track...just don't get too caught up in all the nutrition "hooplah" and overfeed your dog (which I am guilty of when I first got my pup) lol  It's better to feed less than more. 0 LIKE Like Share You have posted to a forum that requires a moderator to approve posts before they are publicly available. Hey, it's way more fun when you sign up or log in Connect With Connect With Sign Up Login
• mudpuppy Posted : 3/30/2006 10:00:00 AM Schlep, I think that diet is just fine. The calcium level is correct for a large-breed puppy, and P is within acceptable parameters.   I make "dog stew" in a crockpot for some of my dog meals-- it's so easy, even the non-cookers could do it. And so much cheaper than canned food, and so much healthier than kibble. Toss in the veggies and sweet potatoes, leave to cook all day. Throw the meat in when you get home, aliquot and freeze. Depending on the size of the dog, you would need to do this anywhere from once a month to once a week. I'd suggest buying a $5 booklet by Monica Segal (home cooked recipes) and following her recipes to ensure you include and balance the proper nutrients. Or Glenda has such a recipe, ask her.   For sparkly clean teeth, just feed some raw meaty bones a couple times a week. 0 LIKE Like Share You have posted to a forum that requires a moderator to approve posts before they are publicly available. Hey, it's way more fun when you sign up or log in Connect With Connect With Sign Up Login
• Prince_Pride Posted : 3/30/2006 12:43:32 PM This thread is so interesting!   I have always thought that a canned food diet was better than any kibble diet. For me, not feeding a 100% canned diet is due to cost. It would take 3-5 cans of food a day to feed Prince depending on the food. That could be $150-200 a month!! Yikes!   So for now, he is getting canned food in his Kong in the mornings, Innova dry at dinner time and RMB's on the weekends. I hope its enough variety for him to get all of the nutrients he needs. 0 LIKE Like Share You have posted to a forum that requires a moderator to approve posts before they are publicly available. Hey, it's way more fun when you sign up or log in Connect With Connect With Sign Up Login
• cakana Posted : 3/30/2006 12:51:05 PM Monica Segal's booklets are great and she also has one "Enhancing Commercial Diets" that tells you how to add/supplement the diet without throwing it out of balance.  You can order it and the other one at [linkhttp://www.monicasegal.com]www.monicasegal.com[/link].   I agree that homecooking isn't all that tough.  I'm actually enjoying it and will enjoy it even more when I can start adding more things to the mix.  I'd like to be able to rely on a good kibble as a backup or maybe as one meal a day like Glenda does, but still feed something that is more natural most of the time. 0 LIKE Like Share You have posted to a forum that requires a moderator to approve posts before they are publicly available. Hey, it's way more fun when you sign up or log in Connect With Connect With Sign Up Login
• Sandra TH Posted : 3/30/2006 1:18:30 PM Cathy, I had to LOL.  I'm usually the one recommending Monica Segal (and especially that booklet)!  I think she really knows her stuff and am always posting her link. You beat me to it! 0 LIKE Like Share You have posted to a forum that requires a moderator to approve posts before they are publicly available. Hey, it's way more fun when you sign up or log in Connect With Connect With Sign Up Login
• cakana Posted : 3/30/2006 1:23:49 PM Great minds think alike [].  I think she's great too and have a few of her booklets. I also like her k9kitchen forum for technical stuff. I honestly think that once I've finished the elimination diet, I'm going to have her formulate a diet for me.  0 LIKE Like Share You have posted to a forum that requires a moderator to approve posts before they are publicly available. Hey, it's way more fun when you sign up or log in Connect With Connect With Sign Up Login
• glenmar Posted : 3/30/2006 1:25:58 PM Geeze, I spend that in a month and they only get kibble once a day!  Ah, but the numbers are greater here.... 0 LIKE Like Share You have posted to a forum that requires a moderator to approve posts before they are publicly available. Hey, it's way more fun when you sign up or log in Connect With Connect With Sign Up Login
• schlep Posted : 3/30/2006 5:11:27 PM I just got back from the store, spending $133 for 2 months worth of food and 4 knuckle bones. [sm=lame.gif] Guess I would have spent $90 anyways... So in the end, I chose an eventual half kibble/half raw supplemented with Seameal and a raw meaty bone here and there. For the moment it's not quite half and half due to keeping everything in check for a large breed puppy. I may yet mix in some canned somewhere down the line. Hopefully this thread goes on for a while, because I know it really helped me. Thanks everyone. [sm=wink2.gif] 0 LIKE Like Share You have posted to a forum that requires a moderator to approve posts before they are publicly available. Hey, it's way more fun when you sign up or log in Connect With Connect With Sign Up Login
• loveukaykay Posted : 3/30/2006 6:29:34 PM We dont put nearly as much thought into our own diet lol. 0 LIKE Like Share You have posted to a forum that requires a moderator to approve posts before they are publicly available. Hey, it's way more fun when you sign up or log in Connect With Connect With Sign Up Login