Nutro Large breed puppy?

OMG lol   I was about to freak out....[sm=rofl.gif]

*freaking out subsides*

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thought Abbysdad's post was ugly and very,very bitter,and took a pot shot at just about everyone on here that feeds super premium foods,and made me wonder why he even bothers coming here as most of his posts have that tone about them

 
I don't know...I feed Eagle Pack,,,(which again,,,is is not super premium to some posters here)  I sure didn't take offense to it.   I don't blame him for writing what he did, because that is the kind of message that he has to read all of the time from premium food feeders here.  What he said is exactly true! Every time someone posts that their dog is completely healthy and shiny, their vets give them a stamp of approval on health etc, BUT feeds what some here consider lower quality foods...they are still told that is not good enough and they should change their food even if it means make the dog ill, let their hair fall out, get diarrhea and stomach upsets...etc etc etc.   
I'm not positive his post is any worse than people using smiley faces after making a statement either.
Thats just my opinion.

Wow....and what makes you know any better?

 
I don't say I know any better, feed what works and if it is not what I feed, but it works, great regardless of what it is.  I believe that Ron knows what works better for his dog than any of us do.  I believe that Dyan knows what works better for her dog than any of us do.  I believe Sandra knows what works better for her dogs than any of us do.  I believe that Glenmar knows what works better for her dogs than any of us do.  I don't pretend to have some sort of psychic ability and be able to devine what food will work best for a dog through the internet. I don't come on here like some enlightened brainwashed religious zealot saying you must feed this way or your dog will get cancer and you will flood it's system with toxins.  I don't  insinuate that you are a lesser human being and somehow harming your dog, because of the food you feed.
 
And then I see, all this love for a company like Solid Gold, who claimed it could cure cancer in dogs and was selling supplements to do so (if i recall correctly it was just brewers yeast) until the FDA shut them down,  and there is  hatred for companies like Purina and Science Diet that have spent millions upon millions of dollars on developing foods that really do help dogs that have cancer, heart and kidney failure or liver disease.  Sometimes is just boggles my mind.

ORIGINAL: dyan

Sandra, that is so sad. It makes me mad!  I would have a hard time being "friendly" to someone that would not take care of their sick pet!
Some people just should not have any pets. 
And they had two!

Me to.

Dawn, I really like Innova for german shepherd pups.  I wean them from momma right onto Innova all life stages in the bright green bag.  It's worked very well for us.
 
Nutro is not a food that impresses me, but that's my opinion.

and there is hatred for companies like Purina and Science Diet that have spent millions upon millions of dollars on developing foods that really do help dogs that have cancer, heart and kidney failure or liver disease. Sometimes is just boggles my mind.

 
According to some posts, these companies are not spending millions of dollars on trying to develop a healtheir food, they are spending it on figuring how to turn  cheap horrible ingredients ts like corn, road kill, chicken feathers, etc into a food dogs will eat.  They add all the fake vitamins and spray it with rancid oil from resturants to trick the dog into thinking it tastes good and that tricks the owners into thinking their dogs love  it and it is good for them.  In other words, making a silk purse out o a sow's ear.
 
Some asked me if I was sure that it wasn't the purina that caused the bone cancer in my 12 1/2 year old irish setter.  I don't for a minute beieve it was.  And I do not for one minute believe feeding premium would have stopped it.  This wa such an agrressive cancer that he was limping a little on Friday and  we thought it was his arthritis, tho we had only noticed it in his shoulder. But heck, he was 12 1/2. By Monay he was dragging that leg, unable to bend that knee by the time we got him to the vet that morning.  Within a week he was not suppose to be able to get up, no eat.  One of the receptionist had just lost her black lab to same cancer, in his wrist.  She saw him limping,  and thought he had sprained his wrist.  But next day fround a small lump, took him right in and a week later had to let him go as he refused to eat, wouldn't get up, etc.
 
But i had my boy for 10 weeks.  Not only did I continue with his Purina, I gave him all kinds of doggy no-nos.  He was so big on fruits and veggies, and whatever we had for dessert, so did, banana splits even with cherry & shipped cream (no nuts), strawberry short cake with lots of whipped cream, apple pie with ice cream, brownines, chocolate cake, etc.  We let him have all the melon, toamate, lettuce he wanted.    All that junk on top of the Purina should have taken him down faster, but it didn't.   It just made him a very happy boy his last 10 weeks.  His last meal was a big dish of buttered pecan ice cream.
 
It was once suggested here  that if I had had Huinter on premium instead of Purina I might not have lost him to AIHA and liver damage.  It was the drugs in proheart6, not the food that caused it.  All the premium food in the world would not have prevented that drug from spot killing his liver nor prevented the AIHA.
 
My dogs remain on Purina (and home cooked) because of what i have seen my entire life--it has alway worked just great for our dogs.   That simple.
 
 

ORIGINAL: Edie

I thought Abbysdad's post was ugly and very,very bitter,and took a pot shot at just about everyone on here that feeds super premium foods,and made me wonder why he even bothers coming here as most of his posts have that tone about them[&:]

It just sounds better and less of a personal attack when it's hidden behind humour []

As for the pooping,isnt it the more a dog poops the more indigestable fillers his food contains?If he poops 3-4 times a day or thereabouts,how much of his actual food is he digesting if he's pooping most of it out?

Make sense?? [8D]

You explained it better than I did.

That brings me to something else I was thinking about. I'm sure others have had great success with Nutro and especially Chicken Soup and Pinnacle, but Joey had problems with those foods. 

So, I do agree that not every dog is going to do good on every good dog food.  But there are so many good options out there.  Maybe Joey didn't digest the grains and veggies in Chicken Soup and Pinnacle as well as other dogs do.  But I did find holistic foods with all the fruits and veggies and multiple meat sources that my dog did well on.  Not saying that every dog will do good on a "bells and whistles" holistic food, that's why there are foods like Sensible Choice, Nutro Natural Choice (Lamb and rice and Chicken and Oatmeal formulas), and California Natural out there.

So I will not bash anyone for feeding a "mid grade food."  In fact, I don't even know if I'd call them "mid grade" just different. 

But, I do consider Purina One, and  Pro Plan to be "mid grade."  I consider Purina Dog Chow to be just above Kibbles and Bits.  And honestly, I don't think there is any good reason to feed Dog Chow unless it's a money issue  and you can't find Diamond dog food, which happens to be less expensive than Dog Chow and better. 

Here's a good question for you Purina Dog Chow feeders...Why would Purina make Purina One and Pro Plan, if Dog Chow was the healthiest for your dog?

I see Matt Dillon has still not shown up for the duel with your baby? LOL
 
It is amazing how many people do believe that because their dog is an inside dog it does not need heartworm prevention.  They can stand right there in the livingroom and kill a mosquito on their arm and not  reazlize that very mosquito may be carrying heartworms and may have bitten their dog.  They go out to get the paper and have to swat mosquitos going and coming, yet don't think their dog can get bitten in the 5-6 minutes he is outside (4-5 times a day) doing business..
 
They still think it was more old age than heartworms that killed the 9 year cocoker.  She is under the impression that "cockers are hyper and only live to be about 7."  I tried to tell her that is totally wrong, but she had had two before (and I never had one, but know several who do) and one lived to be 7 and one was 8.  Now that i think about it, she is from  Miss. and I wouldn't doubt if it was heartworms got those ones also.
 
Having to put our adopted golden mix thru heartworm treatment was awful and something I never want to have to do again.  We are lucky she was so young and healthy and came thru with flying colors--we had this done a month after we adopted her.

Here's a good question for you Purina Dog Chow feeders...Why would Purina make Purina One and Pro Plan, if Dog Chow was the healthiest for your dog?

 
I never said Dog Chow was the healthiest or the best, just that it worked great for my dogs.  After Bucks' kidney infection and his 3 months on that nasty tasting (according to my vet and to Buck) Science Diet k/d, my vet said put him on purina One senior.  Since i was switching him to the One, I went ahead and switchd the girls as well.  I had no problems at all switching them.  And BuckLOVES this One senior and you won't find a single kibble left in his dish.  The girls, well they like it all.  Honey even liked that SD k/d and got into the bag and ate a lot of it... twice. Guess her taste buds don't work to well.  Buck would just pick at it and many times didn't even eat breakfast, just let it sit and eat at night..i would add a little more as they get more for supper than breakfast.  And sometimes he didn't even finish it.  No wonder he lost 3 pounds in that 3 months.  Oh, and even tho he was on the SD, my vet said it was fine to give him fish, so he did get fish at night or maybe he would have eaten even less and lost even more weight.
 
Also, i was under the impression that several other foods make differnt ones as well.

ORIGINAL: Edie

I thought Abbysdad's post was ugly and very,very bitter,and took a pot shot at just about everyone on here that feeds super premium foods,and made me wonder why he even bothers coming here as most of his posts have that tone about them

Yeah cause we never see this the other way around, no one ever gets criticized around here for feeding a less than "super premium" food,  I never see a post where someone tells someone else that they are feeding a toxic cancer causing food and making them feel guilty about it, those threads virtually never exist on this forum. A lot of people like to dish it out, but can't take it.

Sorry, I haven't read the entire post. I just wanted to share my experience,
 
Maddi came to me being fed Nutro LB Puppy food. It worked okay for her, but she didn't care particularly for it. Her coat wasn't the greatest (but it wasn't terrible either), and she had big, soft poo. If she went a morning without eating, she'd throw up bile.
 
Both Innova and EP's Fish Formula worked/work better for her. I never noticed a fishy smell on the EP, infact, she probably had the best coat on it.
 
I don't think Nutro is great, but it's certainly better... and, for some dogs, the best. I think you should use what works for you and your dog.
 
I also suppliment with Salmon Oil and I've never noticed a fishy smell either.

I never see a post where someone tells someone else that they are feeding a toxic cancer causing food and making them feel guilty about it, those threads virtually never exist on this forum. A lot of people like to dish it out, but can't take it.

 
You should have said TRYING to make them feel guilty instead of MAKING them feel guilty because I do not feel guilty in the least, I do not belive I am feeding my dogs toxins, i do not belived I am bringing the curse of cancer on them with Purina.  I KNOW I am feeding them right, they are healthy, happy, loved, and that is all i need to know.

And I have such incredible power. (need emoticon for flexing huge biceps inserted here.)
 
My first reason for my post was to let the OP know that several dogs that I personally know of have done well on Nutro.
 
FWIW, I have friends with 2 Coonhounds and an Am Staff who feed Science Diet. They had tried Nutro, which had changed their dogs piles for a few days (more voluminous) so they went back to Science Diet. Your mileage may vary.
 
And people such as Tony, Sandra, and Glenda understand that you do what works. As Glenda stated, she holds a low opinion of Nutro, finding it suitable for donation to a shelter but not to feed her dogs. And that's fine. We can hold differing opinins without berating each other. I did the same with Innova LB, though I do not consider it a bad food. I had half of a bag left and didn't want to just throw it out. So, I took Glenda's example and donated it to the local shelter.
 
We are all welcome to our own opinion and Tony and Sandra do have a point about facing the opinion of others who think we are doing wrong because we don't feed a premium.
 
FWIW, if Shadow could have done well on Innova, I would have kept him on it. But he does better on the simpler food that Nutro is. I think this is due his special metabolism. And the ingredients are less allergenic than many others. It may not have all the apples and carrots, etc., but then his dominant breed didn't eat those things, either. They had simple food and not a lot of it. So, his system is extremely effiicient at squeezing out everything from a simple food. All the other stuff may be too much, or he's allergic to Barley.
 
With Nutro, he has energy, good coat, clear eyes, and his weight is pretty much on target for being a mix.
 
Again, someone else's mileage may vary.
 

Why on earth can we not have a conversation about food without it getting ugly?
 
this thread was started with a question about NUTRO.  Not Purina, not anything else.  The OP wanted to know what we all thot about leaving her pup on nutro.  I don't see that she's gotten a heck of a lot of answers, but there surely is a lot of bickering in this thread over who is right and who is wrong.
 
Yes, the years supply of Nutro that I won went right to the shelter every month.  Not the HS because they feed a bit better than that, but the kill shelter that typically feeds what *I* consider to be garbage foods, and the dogs on death row deserve a bit better than that.
 
Innova doesn't work for all dogs....in fact mine have recently discovered Canidae and are quite happy with that.  So they are taking a little break from Innova, but they'll go back to it again.
 
As I said, I'm not impressed with Nutro personally, but I don't consider it a BAD food.

I think Nutro is an OK food, not the best but you can do a lot worse.  IMO it is too grain heavy and on some of them the grains are listed in the ingredients list as fragments (i.e. rice, rice flour, rice bran) to make it appear that there is more meat than rice b/c meat is the first ingredient.  Haven't seen the ingredients list for the large breed formula though.  I personally get really turned off by a company that tries to deceive consumers like this. Additionally, they've been planting very pushy Nutro sales reps at my local store that blather on about no by-products but aren't knowledgable enought to answer any other questions I have about the food.