Nutro Large breed puppy?

ORIGINAL: sandra_slayton

Con's: From my own experience, it's really grainy. I mean, your dog will pooh alot on this food, which makes house training harder

Actually i have never had a problem at all house breaking any of my dogs.  And one, my Irish Setter, Boots, NEVER ONCE PEED NOR POOPED IN THE HOUSE, and i acutally consider that a miracle and beyond my understanding.  He was just shy of 9 weeks when i got him.  I had lost my Irish, Red, and was just crushed.  my older son's girlfriend "ordered" Boots from a kennel in Missouri and had him flown to Austin, Tex.  he arrived that afternoon and they gave him to me tha night.  Not long after he got there, he squatted, i picked him up and took him outside.  Later he ate and drank and then a little after that, went to the back door.  We all thought it a total fluke.  it wan'st.  I contacted the kennel to let them know he had arrived and was in my heart as soon as he was in my arms and i asked if they had house trained and they said no, all dogs were kept outdoors in  kennels.  And you know, i have never head of another dog that was trained so darn fast.

KayCee and Hunter never pooped in the house, peed a few times, but never pooped.Buck was broken when we got him at 6 months.  Scooter did poop a couple of times and pee a few time, but was trained very easy and in a short time.  So i can't see what eating grain has to do with making a dog hard to house train no matter how often he has to poop.  Trained means they go to the door and once they know they are to do their business out doors, they will go to the door be it 4 times a day or 40.    And eating grain doesn't make them brain dead so they can't learn to go to the door.  Of course if you don't let them out, they will poop in the house eventually.  This doesn't mean they are not house broken...it means you are not "dog broken."  LOL

 Sandra, have you fed Nutro?  I have fed Nutro, and I can tell you that my dog poohed way more on Nutro then he did on Eagle Pack Holistic, Merrick, Nature's Variety, Sensible Choice, and Nature's Logic.  He also poohed alot on Chicken Soup, which also contains more grains than the above mentioned foods and probably to many veggies.

She asked for pros and cons.  I've fed the food.  I'm giving her pros and cons, while you're taking this as a personal attach against what you feed, which we all know is not Nutro.

In case you missed it.  I mentioned lots of pros too.

Honestly, Sandra, your posts crack me up!  [sm=rofl.gif]  I don't mean that in a negative way, because I don't know about the grain/poop issue.  You're just funny about replying.  It's more interesting to read than the traditional posts.  []

Sandra, have you fed Nutro

 
No, never fed it.  But what i was getting at is why does feeding them food with grain make it harder to house train them.    House training simply means learning not to do business in the house and i don't see where having grain in their food would slow down the learning process.  And as i said, once they know to go outside and go to the door to be let out, and the ownerdoesn't let them out & they poop (or pee) in the house, that is owners's fault, not the dog's and  most certainly doesn't mean the dog isn't house broken.

ORIGINAL: jojo the pogo

Con's: From my own experience, it's really grainy.  I mean, your dog will pooh alot on this food, which makes house training harder.

My oldest pup was on Nutro for a while, he was housebroken in 2 weeks and pooped twice a day.

Also I have had a couple fosters, this is the only food they feed the fosters and same thing, only pooped about twice a day.

Honestly, Sandra, your posts crack me up! I don't mean that in a negative way, because I don't know about the grain/poop issue. You're just funny about replying. It's more interesting to read than the traditional posts.

 
Well, thank you.  I don't have the most education, just high school and one year of nursing school, but I got a lot of living behind me and had great parents who taught to stand for my beliefs, never judge a person by their looks, always be honest, never jump to conclusions, listen to both sides, but decide for myself and not be "hoodwinked" by words alone, respect all life and only kill for food, not for trophy,  don't take insults, but don't be rude (that is hard sometimes) and to think for myself.
 
I think putting a little humor in from time is the way to go, and sometimes  it is more the way i think than actual humor.  Bu if anyone can get a chuckle, that is fine with me.

I got to hand it to you abbysdad, you made me chuckle. I guess mainly because I agree to what you are saying.  
I do feed Eagle Pack and I honestly don't know where that falls in the good to low quailty food with this current group on Idog,,,only know I have been in more than one heated discussion about the quality of it..mainly (but probably not only) because of the grains,,including corn.   I don't care what people think of me for feeding Eagle,, I know my dog is healthy, that is all that counts. AND I know the company is a small company that produces their own food. I LIKE that also. The have great customer service besides!  But mainly,, I feed it because it is the only food trial tested on large/giant dogs,  and that it is recommended for Danes, and that means everything to me.   
What I want to say though, is two things about the poop/grain issue. Bubblegum mostly poops once a day...occasionally but very rarely twice.  Yep, even with all that grain!
BUT the other thing I want to say is that unless of course your dog is going so many times a day and loosing weight because of it,,, I would think that its better for them to go more often rather than less often.  A few years ago when I was "into" one of my health kicks (I go in and out of them every couple of years) I read that a healthy body goes several times a day, and that its much healthier to rid your body of the waste.
Again,, Bubblegum mainly goes once a day, but I'm not sure that is good or bad, nor am I sure that we should be deciding if our food is quality food or not because of how many times they poop!
Sheesh,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,what a conversation!!!

I reckon mine are in between because they go twice a day.

ORIGINAL: sandra_slayton

Sandra, have you fed Nutro

No, never fed it.  But what i was getting at is why does feeding them food with grain make it harder to house train them.    House training simply means learning not to do business in the house and i don't see where having grain in their food would slow down the learning process.  And as i said, once they know to go outside and go to the door to be let out, and the ownerdoesn't let them out & they poop (or pee) in the house, that is owners's fault, not the dog's and  most certainly doesn't mean the dog isn't house broken.

Joey was not the easiest to house train.  He didn't let us know if he needed to go outside.  He still doesn't   He'd pooh on the carpet when I was in the bathroom or showering or just getting the mail.  He had a crate, which he was in when I wasn't home, but I couldn't put him in the crate everytime I turned my head.

He doesn't let me know when he needs to go out.  He still doesn't.  We have to work on a schedule.  We let him out four times a day.  Sometimes he doesn't go because he gets distracted, or it's raining, or he doesn't have to go.  A grainy food will naturally  cause him to go pooh more than on a food with less grains more meat.  While feeding Nutro, Chicken Soup, and Pinnacle, I would wake up to a pile on the floor.  Those are the reasons I stoped feeding those food.

His house trianing improved greatly after I switched to Sensible Choice.  His house training remained reliable on Eagle Pack, Merrick, Nature's Logic.   Then I tried Chicken Soup,at least a year after his house training was reliable, but he started poohing on the floor at night while I was sleeping.  The same with Pinnacle, which I tried last year, 2 years after he has been reliably house trained.

Sure, it wouldn't matter if your dog lets you know that he needs to go outside, but mine doesn't. Maybe it was because he was a rescue.  Either way, grainy foods will make your dog pooh more than food with more meat, less grain.  That's a fact.  If your dog is difficult to house train, it would be better to have a food  he didn't pooh as much on.

My neighbor was never able to house train their little dog--looks like Benji.  She is 6 and still not house trained.    They let her out several times a day, but she still goes in the house .  They took up carpet and put down all tile, so at least it is cleaned ease.  I have always had carpet except in kitchen and bathrooms, so couldn't handle poop or pee inside.
 
I don't look for them to have her a lot longer--heartworms.  Both of their dogs were diagnosed a little over a year ago.  Ever since they moved in I had tried to get them to give heartworm pillls, but the attitude was their dog was an indoor dog.  Then they got this one when she was about 6 weeks old.  Well, as i said, they were both diagnosed with heartworms a little over a year ago.  They couldn't afford the treatment--but could afford to spend $$$ every month on those collectible cards about martial arts, etc, $40 for boards  for their kids to break in that ti kwan do (don't know how to spell it.) The older one died the end of Jan.  His last month was awful,  Walk about 10 feet and collapse gasping for air.  I ate supper over there three nights ago and the other one was coughing.  She said "oh, she must have a peice of fur in their throat."  It was most definately not the old "rid the throat" cough, but the cough of heart and lung trouble.
 
Got a little off didn't I.  It is just that it makes me so made to watch  those beautiful dogs die because collector cards and breaking boards are more important than getting them treated.  The older one was a beautiful cocker., about 9.

Sandra, that is so sad. It makes me mad!  I would have a hard time being "friendly" to someone that would not take care of their sick pet!
Some people just should not have any pets. 
And they had two!

but I got a lot of living behind me

 
Horse sense, they used to call it.
 

What a nice way of putting "you been around long enough you should have learned some things. LOL
 
Reminds me of the orthopedist when i broke my right wrist about 10 years ago.  Was a strange break, the large bone was broken from end and it went up the bone and then to the left, almost like a L with a very shot foot. It was set so my hand was straight up.  Anway, when the cast came off after 7 weeks (splint the first week, then 7 weeks in regular cast), my skin was peeling, wrinkled, off color and STINK.  I was kinda shocked at what it looked like and said "My youngest son broke his wrist when he was 5 and when they took the cast off his arm wasn't near as ugly as this."  He thought for a minute and then said "he had younger skin."  What a polite way of saying he wasn't an old fogey like me.  Took 6 weeks of therapy to get most of the range of motion back in my wrist, tho I never did get it all.

ORIGINAL: abbysdad

Me and a few other owners I know with large breed hunting dogs use Nutro with great results.

Ron, Ron, Ron,

Have you not learned anything by reading the dog forums, it is impossible to get great results using a food like Nutro.  You and your acquaintances may think your getting great results, but you just have very low standards, and you and your friends don't really know anything about what a healthy dog is.  Oh and all of the vets, that tell you guys your dogs are really healthy and thriving, they don't know what they are talking about either, they don't get very much nutrition training, so they have no idea what a healthy dog is supposed to look or act like.  I can't believe you guys would put the trust of your dogs food in a company that has been around for 75 years and owns there own manufacturing facility, there old, what do they know about making dog food.

You should try one of these new companies that is really high quality, you know they are high quality because they tell us that.  They may not own there own plant, or even manufacture there own food, but as we all know these things don't affect quality at all.  There is one really good company Solid Gold, that has even created a supplement that cures cancer in dogs, now thats a company you should put your trust in. Oh if that food doesn't work, and your dog has diarrhea for months and it starts losing weight, and it's hair starts falling out,  you must be doing something wrong.  So just starting adding things to that $50 bag of kibble, and if that doesn't work, keep trying others, but whatever you do, don't go back to Nutro cause as we all know not one dog has thrived on that kibble in 75 years, and we know that just by looking at the ingredients list.

Wow....and what makes you know any better?

It was meant to be humorous, to a degree. At the same time, he was referring to some people's opinion that those of us who feed "mid-grade" food and have good results can't know what we are talking about. That the food I use is made by company that started in 1926 and has a proven track record of success and good product, etc., etc.

Here's your cue to chuckle.

cue

I thought Abbysdad's post was ugly and very,very bitter,and took a pot shot at just about everyone on here that feeds super premium foods,and made me wonder why he even bothers coming here as most of his posts have that tone about them[&:]

It just sounds better and less of a personal attack when it's hidden behind humour []

As for the pooping,isnt it the more a dog poops the more indigestable fillers his food contains?If he poops 3-4 times a day or thereabouts,how much of his actual food is he digesting if he's pooping most of it out?

Make sense?? [8D]