Just talked to Purina

No Jack-In-The-Box, Checkers, Rally's, or In-and-Out here.  McDonald's, Hardee's, Wendy's, Sonic, Burger King, Krystal, Dairy Queen, and others are, though.  Out of those, I prefer McDonald's fries, with Wendy's coming in a close second! []

To keep on a doggy topic, Roxie snuck into the trash and ate half an order of leftover McDonald's fries over the summer.  I really did not know until she threw up a pile of undigested fries the next day.  She learned nothing, of course, because she tries stealing a fry or two whenever she can.  [&:]

Also, I was not slamming Suave in my earlier post.  There's nothing wrong with it, and I've used it plenty of times before.  Aussie is my favorite, actually. 

I just thought it was silly with the Canidae/Ol' Roy comparison.  I've seen dogs that look amazing, but they were eating Ol' Roy, Pedigree, Beneful, or whatever.  Sometimes it is obvious when a dog is eating a good food ... but that's not always the case.

My mentor does not feed what many of you would consider a premium food.  It would be equivilant to a Purina One type product.  He is a nutritionist and I completely trust his judgement.  His dogs look great and there is little clean up, and I should know since I am the one doing the clean up!  He owns and has bred some of the top Parson's in the country.  None have ever suffered from any nutritional deficiency.  They are rarely sick.  In fact, I have only seen two of his dogs ever sick.  One got sick while he was at the handler's house eating some premium food(I don't remember the name) and it was a virus he caught.  So, that has absolutely nothing to do with diet.  The other was from a snake bite.  His wife's Borzoi also eats the same food and she looks great as well.

ORIGINAL: jjsmom06

I want to add to this, if I may. I try really hard not to flame people who enter this forum telling us they feed Ol'Roy or Kibbles and Bits or Moist and Meaty. Technically these people fit into the "have no clue" category. But, come on, at sometime in the back of their minds they must have thought that all those color, the rotten smell, and, in the case of Ol' Roy, the cheapest, most generic dog food was not good for their dog. I always use the analogy "You buy the cheapest dog food on the shelf to feed to your dog for every meal, but I bet you don't buy the generic cheap coffee or shampoo, do you?"

Jojo-  i totally "get" where you are going with this and do agree...but I do want to add that I think many people feel that the food can't be bad if they are allowed to sell it. They assume that the industry is well regulated and wouldn't sell stuff that was unhealthy to feed your pet. 

I have to say, before Penny started having problems with her food, I assumed any pet food would probably do the job. It didn't even occur to me that some might be BAD for my dog. Who would think that some dog foods are bad for dogs? It defies all reason. Especially when all the ads say they offer a complete, balanced diet for your dog. I didn't ever buy the cheap and nasty brands, but if Supercoat wasn't on the shelves when I needed it, I bought Pedigree, which was cheaper and nastier. I didn't much like the colours in it, but I would never have thought to question whether it would meet my dog's needs or not.

I now feel pretty guilty that I never questioned it and can't believe all the little signs that Penny wasn't thriving on it didn't click with me at some stage. But they didn't. I just never even considered that dog food was bad for my dog. I mean, it's called dog food! I feel the same way about rabbits kept in low, tiny hutches with nothing to play with. I can't believe I ever thought that was acceptable.

I may have a naive attitude to this but when i see a dog with disease,any disease,from arthritis to cancer,my first thought is food,what is the owner feeding the dog?? Especially when you see dogs as young as 2 years old getting cancer.Sure there are just bad genes and toxic chemicals(flea,heartworm etc treatments) that we bombard our dogs with regularly,but i think a species appropriate diet can often times over ride genetic predispositions to most diseases around these days. I think if you're going to feed foods like ol roy,pedigree etc than you can almost guarantee your pet will come down with some kind of ailment sooner or later.It's only a matter of time before inadequite nutrition catches up.

As for the fries,Mcdonalds wins hands down,i wont eat anything from burger king,i just dont like any of their stuff.Wanna hear something especially scary?? Neither of my dogs will eat macca's or BK meat patties,chicken nuggets are eaten with a so so attitude,but i have to wonder why a pair of chow hound refuse to eat their patties??? [:'(]

Some breeds are more prone to certain diseases no matter what they are fed.  It makes me sad to think about goldens being one of them as i have goldens.  But i knew that when I got my first one.   One thing that did surprise me, tho i don't know why, is that cancer can run in dog families.  that is why we had the necropsy done on hunter when he died.  The x-rays and ultra sound indicated cancer of the liver....and we have his littermate sister and needed to know what we could be facing.  But then the histopath report came back, no cancer cells found in any of the many tissue samples my vet sent from his stomach, spleen, and liver.  His liver had drug induced dying spots, not cancer.  Was it the PH6 itself or the slurry?  Did he get some of the bad that was put on the market in July and was recalled in Jan. because of problems with the time release spheres. We were never able to find out what the problem was.  Could it have all released at once and  and damaged his liver, or had it been damaging his liver all along and finally was to much.  We will never know.  By the way, many of the dogs that died of liver trouble never had a necropsy and it was written off as cancer...as my Hunter's would have been and as others who did have necropsies would have done.  One thing I can tell you, when your dog has just died it is hard to think of having it's body cut up for necropsy, but sometimes it is really for the best.
 
 

I may have a naive attitude to this but when i see a dog with disease,any disease,from arthritis to cancer,my first thought is food,what is the owner feeding the dog?? Especially when you see dogs as young as 2 years old getting cancer.Sure there are just bad genes and toxic chemicals(flea,heartworm etc treatments) that we bombard our dogs with regularly,but i think a species appropriate diet can often times over ride genetic predispositions to most diseases around these days. I think if you're going to feed foods like ol roy,pedigree etc than you can almost guarantee your pet will come down with some kind of ailment sooner or later.It's only a matter of time before inadequite nutrition catches up.

 
When you see a child with leukemia or autism do you think "wow, those parents must not be feeding their children correctly!"? If someone has arthritis in their 40s do you think "geez, you're so uneducated, if you ate a whole foods diet you'd be fine."?
I hope not...because although there may be some correlation, a correlation is not proof.

recclest i was thinking more in terms of the dogs who get fed a crappy food day in day out,no fresh additions or anything.You rarely see children fed nothing but the same packaged,processed foods for every meal. And yes i when my junk food/high grain and pasta living friend came down with arthritis at an earlier than average age,my first thought was that his years of unhealthy eating was a large cause of it.When he cut out the grains and changed to a healthier diet he was able to come of the meds and is now relatively pain free.

I wonder if child hood cancer has ever been linked to how the mother took care of herself during pregnancy,and what she ate or didnt eat,what drugs she took,did she breast feed or not,was the child raised on fresh foods or that tinned/jarred gunk etc etc.

An aquaintances son dies of leukemia aged 11,his mom was a heroin addict,and also didnt look after herself at all during her pregnancy with him.I know she asked herself a million times if that could have contributed to his disease.

Anyway this is so far out of my realm of understanding,i dont really have the know how to speak of these things.None of the above may be related to leuk,cancer etc,i dont know?? But it could be a possibility....

ORIGINAL: Edie
An aquaintances son dies of leukemia aged 11,his mom was a heroin addict,and also didnt look after herself at all during her pregnancy with him.I know she asked herself a million times if that could have contributed to his disease.

But plenty of children with mothers who took care of themselves during pregnancy develop problems as well.  A study with controlled variables would need to be done to make that a fact.  Many dogs who are on a diet that you would approve of have developed cancer as well as ones on a lower quality diet.  There are so many variables that can contribute to cancer.  Genetics, diet, pesticides...on and on.  Until a study is done linking a certain food to cancer, then its all opinion and guesses.

Well if I was Purinia, I`d say my food is the best by far. And if  Sandra wants to feed her dogs that ... fine, let her feed that to her dogs.
why is it if I feed purinia, or innova, or any other food shows that i love my dog more???
we all love our dogs, we wouldnt be here other wise.
just stop  it, just do whats best for your so loyal loving companions peroid.
opinions are just like azz holes, we all have one

Whether it's me or my dogs, I want to take reasonable precautions on what goes into our bodies. For instance, if I have a choice between something natural or something chemical or sythetic, I'll go natural. I don't know if that will help anything, but at least I know I'm doing what I can.

And if they aren't waffle cut, they just aren't good fries []

Whether it's me or my dogs, I want to take reasonable precautions on what goes into our bodies. For instance, if I have a choice between something natural or something chemical or sythetic, I'll go natural. I don't know if that will help anything, but at least I know I'm doing what I can.

Same,same []

Colleen-you're right there are so many variables.I feel this is a very delicate subject,especially if a parent who has lost a child that way is reading this,so i would rather not make any more assumptions or give any more opinion on human disease.

Edie feeding isn't all of it.  Exercise and environment and genectics and so on and so forth.  YOu can eat perfect and exercise and drop dead at 20.  Feeding better if the dog can process is great.  I feed Purina One right now because that is what works over the higher end brands.  I am  considering trying the Pro Plan next.
Atleast I have tried other brands on my dog and tried doing what I learned here.  We all do the best we can and leave it at that.

Honestly I wouldn't expect Purina (or any other food manufacturer) to say anything but good things about their company. Why would they do otherwise?

Firestorm has a good point.  Genetics and environment are huge factors in all this.
 
People example...my parents had four daughters. We all grew up eating the same stuff, breathing the same air, playing in the same Dow Chemical contaminated soil.  One sis dropped dead of a massive coronary a  month shy of her 50th b'day. She never smoked, ate sensibly, exercised, etc, so its most likely her issues were solely genetic.  Another sis has Parkinsons and the third has MS.  Now the sis with MS is an ATHLETE for crying out loud...she found out she had MS 2 weeks after she ran the Chicago marathon.  Both Parkinsons and MS are two pronged issues....you have to carry the gene but it won't manifest without environmental issues as well.  I'm just waiting to see whats in store for me......
 
But the point is, both sisters, had they grown up somewhere other than Midland Michigan, home of one of the biggest chemical corporations in the world, probably wouldn't have the conditions that they have.  And nothing changed in their diets would have made one iota of difference in their particular conditions.