Raw Eggs Revisited

take a look at this thread....

http://forum.dog.com/asp/tm.asp?m=94493&mpage=1&key=raw%2Ceggs

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Ahh, thank you, exactly what I was looking for.     Somehow, my search didn't find that. [sm=uhoh.gif]  Thanks so much!

Before you feed your dogs raw eggs you should take a look at this thread called " Reversing myself on raw eggs";    [linkhttp://forum.dog.com/asp/tm.asp?m=133398&mpage=1&key=raw%2Ceggs%2Csalmonella𠩾]http://forum.dog.com/asp/tm.asp?m=133398&mpage=1&key=raw%2Ceggs%2Csalmonella𠩾[/link]  
 
 " So I'm back in school and as part of a take home final from heck I had to prove causation between Salmonella serovar typhimurium and gallbladder abscess, sepsis and mental confusion using Bradford Hill Criteria for causation. As a result, over the past week I've read about 30 different peer-reviewed journal articles on all aspects of Salmonella and Salmonellosis.

As a result I am no long going to feed my dogs raw eggs. There are too many emergent MULTI DRUG RESISTANT salmonella strains out there, and the biggest and brightest pool of contamination is....drumroll...raw and undercooked egg and egg products. Microbial contamination I take as part of life - multidrug resistant microbial contamination is a whole nother story.

So I am officially reversing my position on raw eggs. I will henceforth cook the living tar out of them. And absolutely no freakin shells. "

I mix the raw egg in with the meat and vegies about twice a week. I haven't given him the shell yet but I will be trying it. When I do I will crush it into a powder and mix that in as well, which is what alot of others do that I know.
 
Oh and I also cook them every now and then too.

I give my dogs raw eggs shell and all.  The shell is perfect for calcium.  I put the entire egg in the blender to mix the shell in so my dogs will eat it.
 
When we were young and played sports we kids used to drink a power drink of raw eggs for that extra burst of power.  It was the in thing to do.  None of us kids nor friends, coaches etc ever got sick from bacteria.[]
 

Bubblegum still gets a raw/cooked egg on her kibble for breakfast everyday.  Now I feed her a raw yolk and cooked white AND the shell each day.  I break the egg and catch the whites in a plastic container..and when I get about 5 of them I cook them and save them in old yogurt containers in the fridge. So everyday, she gets one raw yolk, one cooked white from the container and a shell.
I have not honestly ever heard that you should not give your dog a raw egg with kibble...interested to know where you read that skyehi!

"When we were young and played sports we kids used to drink a power drink of raw eggs for that extra burst of power.  It was the in thing to do.  None of us kids nor friends, coaches etc ever got sick from bacteria.[] "
 
Things aren't the same anymore; raw eggs aren't nearly as safe as they used to be.
From the same thread I linked above; 

Well here's what I've learned (and I'm only a public health student so keep that in mind).
1. There are about 2000 serotypes of salmonella that cause human disease. A number of them also cause animal disease but not all are created equal -so that a strain that might cause disease in sheep may only be carried by emu (making the exmples up).

2. HOWEVER Salmonella is very host adaptable  and have broad tropic ranges. So for instance typhimurium, responsible for about 26% of food poisoning infections (emedicine.com) vs enteriditis which is about 21% (all the rest are in frequencies of 10s) has a very broad host range including humans, cattle, pigs, sheep, horses, poultry and rodents (Host Adaptation and the emergence of infectious disease:the salmonella paradigm. Molecular Microbiology 2000. vol 36(5) 1006-1014).

It says nothing about dogs, but given these two pieces of information, and the frequency with which we see typhimurium and multidrug resistant typhimurium(DT104 is ampicillin, chloramphenicol, streptomycin, sulfonamides and tetracycline resistant for example) if not yet, soon.  CDC identified DT104 in "32% of the Salmonella typhimurium strains isolated from humans in 1996 up from 28% in 1995 and 7% in 1990.

3. Further, there is a resistant structure that typhimurium among others produces called a biofilm. It is a physical network of colonies that is quite resistant to antimicrobials and has to be physically disrupted or otherwise cause a reservoir of continuous infection. So at least from the human point of view, even if dogs are not susceptible, we should really be taking care when handling raw eggs anyway.

This is probably too much. I've been working on this gosh awful final all week!  I'm no germphobe, but this just struck me as crucial information to be shared.

Paula

dyan, I think that may come from some raw feeders who recommend not to feed raw with kibble due to kibble taking longer to digest ...they may include raw eggs.  Actually it's OK to feed raw eggs with kibble and it's OK to feed raw ,meat with kibble as well. 

Here is a link for you skyehi[].
[linkhttp://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=myths]http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=myths[/link]  
Dogs should not be fed (raw) eggs
The main argument is that the enzyme avidin contained in the egg white destroys biotin within the body. Fact is that the egg yolk supplies more than enough biotin to make up for this loss. Salmonella are another concern, but dogs with their significantly shorter digestive tract are much more resistant to these bacteria than for example humans

jessies_mom...I personally don't worry about bacteria with raw eggs.  In my long life I've never had a problem.  As for dogs, I can think of worse things than eggs that they are eating that are definately full of bacteria and other yucky things.  I haven't seen many dogs get sick off eating feces, road kill that they see before you do...all kinds of yucky things that I can gaurantee have tons of bacteria that never upset my dogs belly's or any dogs I work with.[]  I know many people who still add a raw egg to their tofu smooties and other power drinks.  I also have friends who love raw hamburg etc.

I think the problems with people not being able to handle certain strains of bacteria is they are living in too clean a world.  Being too clean is unhealthy for the immune system[]   Also the handling of the meat, what the animal was fed etc all come into play as to how dangerous the bacteria may be.  Heck, you can get e-coli from eating spinach and other veggies...there is a risk with ALL foods cooked, processed, raw etc.

I guess my big question is WHY?  Why feed raw eggs?
What is wrong with cooking them first?  When my dog was in his recovery stage, they had me zapping him with loads of protein.  I cooked him 6 eggs a day mixed with amino acid powder.  Never was it suggested from the nutritionist I saw that I should just do the eggs raw.  But then again the whole idea of anything raw other than fruits and veggies is disgusting to me!  So I guess my opinion won't count much at all.  I just don't understand why if there is even a grain of concern with raw eggs- that you feel the need to feed that when there are so many other ways to get beneficial things in your animal.

I just don't understand why if there is even a grain of concern with raw eggs- that you feel the need to feed that when there are so many other ways to get beneficial things in your animal.

 
There's concern and debate about the safety of EVERYTHING. Raw eggs, cooked eggs, raw meat, cooked meat, kibble, homecooked diets, raw diets, bones, canned food, etc. I'm pretty sure there's not anything you could feed a dog that someone somewhere doesn't say is dangerous or bad. So where do you draw the line?

I just don't understand why if there is even a grain of concern with raw eggs- that you feel the need to feed that when there are so many other ways to get beneficial things in your animal.

Because they don't get as much of the "natural goodness" from the egg when you cook them.

My dogs used to not only eat fresh eggs every day lamost all last year, they also ate fresh-from-the-back-end-of-the-chicken poop, which is where the Salmonella comes from.

And they have lived to tell about it!

There are many people that eat raw eggs. Read Dr. Mercola website. He may be a little "different" but he does and he talks about how good they are for you. [linkhttp://www.mercola.com/2002/nov/13/eggs.htm]http://www.mercola.com/2002/nov/13/eggs.htm[/link]
 
I have read over the years that many dogs are allegic to eggs,,,but that is only when they are cooked.
 
Years ago, when purchasing a supplement for Ollie over the phone, I spoke with the fellow that runs the business..he told me the best way to keep my dog healthy is to give him three things every day. 1. vit. c    2.   a good oil    3.  one raw egg.

I'm pretty sure there's not anything you could feed a dog that someone somewhere doesn't say is dangerous or bad. So where do you draw the line?

 
   The concern I raised regarding raw eggs was originally posted by paulaedwina who learned about several emergent multi drug resistant strains of salmonella in raw eggs while working on a final in graduate school. The percentage of Salmonella typhimurium strains isolated from humans rose from 7% in 1990 to 32% in 1996; this strain of Salmonella is responsible for 26% of food poisoning infections. Considering the fact that Salmonella typhimurium adapts easily to different hosts it's probably only a matter of time before dogs are susceptible. These are facts that IMO should cause those who consume raw eggs or feed them to thier dogs to pause and perhaps consider the emerging risk factor of the multi drug resistant strains of Salmonella present in eggs versus the benefits of feeding them raw.

When we were young and played sports we kids used to drink a power drink of raw eggs for that extra burst of power.

LOL my hubby mixes my son a power shake before every game which includes raw eggs,i sometimes have a glass myself [:'(]

I dont think cooked eggs give the same benefit to their coat as raw,as with most everything,raw,untampered with produce is usually healthier than heat treated/cooked.So many vitamins and enzymes are destroyed by heat [&:]