Purina ProPlan Selects

I feed my dog Nutro.
 
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Great video, gotta love AC/DC, "hole foods" are more filling than processed foods.[]

hole foods" are more filling than processed foods.

 
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  You're right Jojo; the Labrador Retriever formula only has 281 calories a cup; it's a shame Jessie is allergic to chicken because she's a non stop eating machine and gains weight if she's fed more than 850 calories a day; she would love that food. She gets 2 and one third cups of EP Fish and weighs 62 pounds.

OT - trivia.
 
The original members of AC/DC, including Bon Scott were from Scotland and came to Australia. Later singer, Brian Johnson, also from Scotland and moved to Australia, and was the nearest voice match they could find for Bon Scott. He passed away before the world tour for this album.
 

Pro Plan Selects has no whole ground corn in it.  It does have some corn gluten meal in it.  No by products, and the extra anti oxidants also.  Its a good food.  It is a better food than Purina One as far as ingredients.  I feed my dog Purina One and Pro Plan.  He couldn't make the switch to Selects as much as I would have liked him too.  Its perfectly fine with me though.  He is doing wonderful on One/Pro Plan and he will tell me when he isn't doing well.  Senior dogs with sensitive systems usually should remain on the same diet.  If you can switch your lucky.  Most don't take to it well.  Despite all the discussions for years on this subject, no one can explain to me why I see so many dogs do fantastic on corn based diets and on diets that are deemed by many to be mid grade or low grade products.  I for one, think enviroment and genetics are the primary health problems in animals today.  If you want more meat, then cook up some for your furry pal and supplement the diet that way. 

" there is a great 'mid-grade' food that I found that doesn't have anything really objectionable".

You don't find RICE HULLS ( NO nutritional value whatsoever and SOLELY used as a filler ) objectionable ? Along with the BEET PULP they're using as a stool hardener.  "Natural chicken FLAVOR" .. what the heck is that ??   Put it this way.. it doesn't have anything GOOD in it. No pre or probiotics, no chelated minerals no natural sources of amino acids, phytonutrients, antioxidants, etc. There's absolutely NOTHING in this food that even sounds "nutritious".  Chicken and rice on their own are not great ingredients for a quality dogfood.

Dogs who have trouble adapting to high quality foods should be fed LESS than the recommended amount.  They're getting the runs because they're being OVERFED. Some dogs cannot go from a crap diet to eating a healthy diet without problems because the ingredients in a healthy diet are extremely nutrient DENSE where the food they've been eating has been nutrient VOID. Their food needs to be cut back to what they can "handle".  It's no different than when a vegetarian tries to eat meat.
Until their body gets used to it they have severe stomach upset and diarreah. Dogs who are sensitive should have a good 3-4 months or so to adjust to a new higher quality food.  I'm sorry but NOONE can convince me that feeding a dog inferior quality food can be GOOD for them as opposed to feeding quality food.  That makes no sense whatsoever and plain common sense would say it's impossible.

ORIGINAL: losinsusan

Despite all the discussions for years on this subject, no one can explain to me why I see so many dogs do fantastic on corn based diets and on diets that are deemed by many to be mid grade or low grade products. 

And just what do you consider "fantastic " ?  Do these animals have fur that feels like silk ? Breath that's sweet and fresh ? Absolutely NO body/fur odor whatsoever ?? Do they have gleaming white teeth with no tartar and healthy pink gums ? Do they have boundless energy ?  Firm, tiny , low/no odor stools ?? Are they completely FREE from earmites, yeast infections, fleas, skin irritations,and other conditions like Joint and muscle problems ?   If they are not completely FREE of any of the above... they are NOT doing fine or even close to it because the only way a dog/cat can have all of the above is to be fed a HEALTHY NATURAL HIGH QUALITY diet.  Low quality foods CAUSE all of the things that these dogs should NOT have.

Nope, I don't consider those objectionable. I consider by-products, generic sources, digest, menadione, and anything artificial/chemical objectionable. Along with that I choose to avoid corn, wheat, and soy. So this food is great for us. And I'm ok with the rice hulls since they are the eighth ingredient. The main ingredients are lamb meal, brewers rice, brown rice, and chicken fat. I'd rather see something else in place of the brewers rice, but I'm not going to turn down a food on that basis. I would turn it down if there were something harmful in it, rather than something neutral. Simple ingredient formulas work best for us, and if the brewers rice has no value and my dog is getting all his nutrition from the lamb and brown rice then that is fine with me. I'm not sure what you mean when you say, "There's absolutely NOTHING in this food that even sounds "nutritious"." Lamb meal is the main ingredient and I believe a dog should get the main portion of its nutrition from meat. Do you mean that it doesn't have any fruits and veggies? I'm not convinced that fruits and veggies have any nutritional value after processing in dog food. The amounts used are so small, and the actual fruits used (apples usually) have very little nutritional value anyway.

The point I was attempting to make in that post was that no one should have to settle for something that does have actual harmful ingredients. There are always other options.

As for the rest of your comments, I agree that overfeeding is a common cause of problems. In our case it wasn't the problem, but for some dogs it could be. And my dog has had serious digestive troubles since I found him at six weeks old, so his problem likely didn't have much to do with what he was being fed before. But again, that could be the problem for some dogs.

And for your second post, a healthy high quality diet can help with some conditions, but it is not going to make joint problems or dysplasia go away. It's not going to help those skin irritations or infections caused by environmental allergies. So you can't say that a low quality food necessarily causes all these things. And, yes, with the exception of his allergies, my dog is all of those.

You could get your point across much more effectively if you toned down the fanaticism just a bit.

To the OP, I'm sorry for where your thread is going. How is your pup liking the Selects?

ORIGINAL: belleandcodysmom

Dogs who have trouble adapting to high quality foods should be fed LESS than the recommended amount.  They're getting the runs because they're being OVERFED. Some dogs cannot go from a crap diet to eating a healthy diet without problems because the ingredients in a healthy diet are extremely nutrient DENSE where the food they've been eating has been nutrient VOID. Their food needs to be cut back to what they can "handle".  It's no different than when a vegetarian tries to eat meat.
Until their body gets used to it they have severe stomach upset and diarreah. Dogs who are sensitive should have a good 3-4 months or so to adjust to a new higher quality food.  I'm sorry but NOONE can convince me that feeding a dog inferior quality food can be GOOD for them as opposed to feeding quality food.  That makes no sense whatsoever and plain common sense would say it's impossible.

 
I do agree with Sooner that your point would come across better if it's a little less dramatic. But I think you made some excellent points.
 
I think a lot of times people whose dogs have been on a food like Science Diet or urina will try another food for a few weeks or a month. When their dog has diarrhea or other digestive troubles during that time, they come to the conclusion that a high quality just doesn't "work" for their dog and then go back to the old food and everything goes back to normal. That really isn't surprising because it's what the dog's system was use to, not necessarily what's best for them.
 
I think people also have a different yardstick by which they measure good health. What might be a shiny coat to them is just a "so so" coat by another person's standards. They may think a ripe old age is 12 while another person thinks it's 16. Really, it's all very subjective.

" there is a great 'mid-grade' food that I found that doesn't have anything really objectionable".

You don't find RICE HULLS ( NO nutritional value whatsoever and SOLELY used as a filler ) objectionable ? Along with the BEET PULP they're using as a stool hardener. "Natural chicken FLAVOR" .. what the heck is that ?? Put it this way.. it doesn't have anything GOOD in it. No pre or probiotics, no chelated minerals no natural sources of amino acids, phytonutrients, antioxidants, etc. There's absolutely NOTHING in this food that even sounds "nutritious". Chicken and rice on their own are not great ingredients for a quality dogfood.

 
 
I have tried many foods from top of the line premium to lower foods, Sensible Choice has given me great results, and is a very palatable food, personally I think it is one of the very best foods out there period, I base that on results, that is the ultimate test of a dog food.  Objectionable ingredients is a subjective opinion, and what is objectionable to one person or dog may not be objectionable to another.
 
No chelated minerals - wrong,  what are zinc, maganese and copper proteinate.
No natural sources of amino acids - wrong, what are chicken and rice.

ORIGINAL: Luvntzus

ORIGINAL: belleandcodysmom

Dogs who have trouble adapting to high quality foods should be fed LESS than the recommended amount.  They're getting the runs because they're being OVERFED. Some dogs cannot go from a crap diet to eating a healthy diet without problems because the ingredients in a healthy diet are extremely nutrient DENSE where the food they've been eating has been nutrient VOID. Their food needs to be cut back to what they can "handle".  It's no different than when a vegetarian tries to eat meat.
Until their body gets used to it they have severe stomach upset and diarreah. Dogs who are sensitive should have a good 3-4 months or so to adjust to a new higher quality food.  I'm sorry but NOONE can convince me that feeding a dog inferior quality food can be GOOD for them as opposed to feeding quality food.  That makes no sense whatsoever and plain common sense would say it's impossible.

I do agree with Sooner that your point would come across better if it's a little less dramatic. But I think you made some excellent points.
 
I think a lot of times people whose dogs have been on a food like Science Diet or Purina will try another food for a few weeks or a month. When their dog has diarrhea or other digestive troubles during that time, they come to the conclusion that a high quality just doesn't "work" for their dog and then go back to the old food and everything goes back to normal. That really isn't surprising because it's what the dog's system was use to, not necessarily what's best for them.
 
I think people also have a different yardstick by which they measure good health. What might be a shiny coat to them is just a "so so" coat by another person's standards. They may think a ripe old age is 12 while another person thinks it's 16. Really, it's all very subjective.

That's exactly what I was trying to say before. Very well put Luvntzus!

For example, Joey did great on Royal Canin Mini Adult - a food with corn gluten and ground corn. Well, at least he wasn't consitipated like he was on most of the rice based foods. But once I started feeding him a holistic food along with a little raw, I noticed a total positive difference: better muscle mass (on most of the holistic foods), shinier coat, less tarter on his teeth. His pooh was kindof slimy, but his appearance was much better.

But I have finally found a holistic food that makes him look better than ever and makes his pooh firm - Nature's Logic. Wow, even the slight cloudyness in his eyes is gone. Great muscle mass, nice white teeth, he even behaves better.

Spinach and beets are very good for a person.  Should I have made my boys eat them every day for weeks (meanwhile they are throwing up after each meal or have the bathroom trots, etc) just because those veggies are better for them than corn and mashed potatoes and I want them to eat the BEST and figure they will adapt eventually?  I would never have done that to my boys and I would never do it to my dogs. 
 
As it happens, my older son loves both spinach and beets, the younger son will not touch them.  But I would never have forced them to eat food that didn't agree with them just because it was "better for them".

Why stop there, there are thousands of dog foods and feeding methods, hundreds of "Super Premium Holistic Kibbles" with new ones coming out every day, why not try them all until your dog lives forever.

Why stop there, there are thousands of dog foods and feeding methods, hundreds of "Super Premium Holistic Kibbles" with new ones coming out every day, why not try them all until your dog lives forever.

 
If only this would work and we could keep our beloved dogs forever!  
 
One thing, dogs, as will people, will only live a certain number of years.  There are people who eat "bad foods" and live to be 100, and others eat all the perfect foods and die at 40.  My dad was a two pack a day smoker and when he died at age 58 (he had a stroke caused by the anestihic during minor surgery) his lungs and heart  were so strong he lived 2 days after they said he would go any minute.  Eveything else had shut down.   His older brother had never smoked and his heart played out when he was 59 and he lived another 4 years confined to his bed.  A lady at our church died of lung cancer  in her mid 30's and had never smoked.
 
No matter what you do you cannot totally contol how long you or your dogs live.  I see pictures of babies with cancer at St. Jude's hospital.  They have not been in this world long enough for their food, life style to cause it--or prevent it.  It happens. 
Why does this baby die at 8 months from a brain tumor and this one live to be 100 --while smoking, eating fried foods daily, etc?  It happens. 
 
I am not saying we should not try to take the best care possible of ourselves and our dogs (I stopped smoking 7 years ago, cut back from 7-8 cups of coffee a day to about 3 a week, etc) but what works for one person/dog, may not work for another one at all.  And one other thing.  Since none of us can see each other's dogs, we pretty much have to take it as truth when we talk about the health of our dogs.  Over the past months many (some no longer posting) have flat out said my dogs can not be as healthy as i say because i feed them Purina & home cooked.  But I am suppose to take their word that THEIR dogs are as healthy as they say because they feed X brand.  Also, it seems if X brand rep or company says such and such it is gospel truth, not doubt about it because X brand said so.  Yet if Purina, Hills, Nutro sales reps says such and such, it is just hype trying to fool people into buying their brand. 
 
 

ORIGINAL: abbysdad

Why stop there, there are thousands of dog foods and feeding methods, hundreds of "Super Premium Holistic Kibbles" with new ones coming out every day, why not try them all until your dog lives forever.

 
No need for sarcasm...