My TWO Finally Arrived!!

I am DYING over the wide poop topic! Only true dog lovers could have this kind of in-depth conversation about dog poop![sm=rotfl.gif]
 
Twin- now that you mention it. . . YES they are much wider on TWO. My babies don#%92t seem to strain though, but their#%92s is never really, really hard (not dry poop….still pretty moist, but well formed). Does that make sense or did I confuse you??
 
Not sure what the reasons are though.
 
I have definitely come to an understanding of my pups poop since boarding them.  Apparently they had perfectly firm poop every single time in the kennel while boarding for 7 days.  But at the kennel they don#%92t get any walks, just turned out onto a concrete area for about 15 minutes 6 times a day to do their “business”. I know that at home I sometimes notice they have “excited poop” when we go someplace new or something, but I think more often than not, their “excitement” effects their poop. There is nothing “exciting” about pooping at the kennel, so all is perfect every time, but at home, their poop is not as consistent.
 
Oh well. . . I am happy because it is MUCH better than on Pinnacle and their coats are doing well and JJ#%92s allergies are under control.
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Twin- Glad the pup liked fish!! I would try the salmon a couple times a week and see what happens. I am still undecided about adding the salmon oil. I defiantly don#%92t want to do it until I find out if the Ocean Blue formula is going to go over well (poop wise), since the elk wasn#%92t a good one. Once I have their dry formulas figured out and maybe some of the new TWO canned food (yea!!!) I might consider trying the salmon oil.  I just don#%92t want to add in too many different things right now, but maybe in a couple of months. Their coat is still continuing to improve…looks great!   
 
Carol- hope things are going OK for you and your family. Thanks for responding to these threads and for giving us an alternate way of contacting you if we have problems.
 

I am DYING over the wide poop topic! Only true dog lovers could have this kind of in-depth conversation about dog poop![sm=rotfl.gif]

He he he! [sm=rofl.gif]
 
I love the poop talk, too! So, that's good that your pups are "wide" too...could just be a TWO thing then. That's good to know. [] I have heard that they are darker than most kibbles because TWO has a larger percentage of meats in their foods, like at least 48%, which is wonderfull for the dogs! Also, red meat tends to give darker poops. So, maybe on the Ocean Blue they will be a little lighter? Interesting things to know...he he.
 
I bet your pups are so glad to have their mom home! They might just give you excited poops for that one reason! []
 
I just e-mailed Carol the pictures of the holes in my two TWO bags (that sounds funny []), along with my previous e-mail I had sent her on 09/24. So, we'll see how that goes! [&:]

they won't be lighter.
It's the herbs in TO that makes the poop darker.
The main meat in W&N is chicken and Ella's poop is still dark.

they won't be lighter.
It's the herbs in TO that makes the poop darker.
The main meat in W&N is chicken and Ella's poop is still dark.

 
I think it is the kelp, alfalfa, parsley, spinach, and watercress that are responsible for the "darkness" and those are pretty much a constant in all the formulas. The elk and bison are the same color and size.  I am gonna try the ocean blue probably in the next week or two.

OK, well here's something interesting...
 
I have always been giving EVO 95% with the TWO. Well, last night I decided not to because I wanted to see the poops without EVO mixed in. Well, he barely touched that food...he just hates all kibble...it is SO frustrating, and getting old fast! He has been doing this for almost a year now. GRRRR...The only food he would scarf down was Beneful, ugh! [:@]
 
Anyway, he ended up eating a 1/2 cup total...and this morning his poops were NOT as dark and they are NOT as wide?! So, maybe it is not the meat in the TWO, but the 95% meat in the EVO that is causing the darker/wider poops? Just speculation of course, but I would like to monitor his poops without anything mixed in for maybe a week or two, to see just straight TWO output, what do you guys think? So, maybe it is the meat after all that is causing the darker/wider poops, just not from the TWO? Weird...I think I am confusing myself! [&:]
 
Oh yea, and this morning he will not touch breakfast to save his life! This is so frustrating...he is going to make himself sick. I never used to mix canned food in when I first got him and I would do the 10 minutes down and take it away thing...he NEVER cared! He would just not eat...and he is a skinny man to begin with, so it is really frustrating me. I have tried giving him samples of just about every food out there and he won't touch any of them! So, I just have to pick the best food for him and feed him that. I don't think it is just the Elk...I think (know) he will be like this with all the TWO formula's. So sad....[]
 
 

Poor picky boy. . .mama doesn#%92t give you anything good to eat does she??   Did you add water to the kibble?   Maybe a little broth or yogurt might be an option? Maybe this mornings poop was a fluke?? I swear mine have wider pooh on TWO.   I can#%92t wait to try the TWO canned. Wouldn#%92t that be cool if they had a “variety pack” so you could try all of them?   DO you have a place that carries evangers near you?  My pups are doing fantastic on the canned chicken this past few days!

HI []
 
He is soooo spoiled and he still gives me grief! He he he...oh well, he is my baby! [] I didn't add water to the kibble...I should have I know. I used to add yogurt and/or cottage cheese and he would eat a few bites and then just walk away. Yes, maybe this mornings poops were a fluke...I am going to keep monitoring them...ha ha when don't I? [] I do think they are wider on the TWO, also. Especially if your pups and also Ella had wider poops..it would be safe to say it is the TWO. I guess I just think about it way to much! [] 
 
I am SOOOOO looking forward to the TWO canned foods! I am really hoping they are mostly meat and no grains, that would be awesome! A variety pack is exactly what me and my boy need...that would be the best thing ever! [8D]
 
I know one place that carries Evanger's...so I was going to look into that. I just stocked up on the EVO 95%...but I am starting to think my pup is sensitive to chicken?! I had given him some fresh cooked plain chicken and also the regular EVO canned which is chicken/turkey based...and he seemed to be a bit itchy. [] I was thinking he might be sensitive to either chicken and/or rice...but he hasn't gotten any rice since Canidae...so I don't think that is the culprit...but who knows? It could be both chicken and rice....could explain why he did so horribly on Canidae! He did bad on Beneful, Nutro Natural Choice Large Breed Puppy (chicken/rice) and California Natural Chicken/Rice Puppy....so I was thinking he was allergic to chicken, rice, or wheat. He was doing even worse when he went on the CA Natural....so then I narrowed it down to chicken, rice, sunflower oil. What are the chances it would be sunflower oil? I know that the EVO 95% has sunflower oil, but would that be a likely culprit? Ahhhh...I know I am really rambling here.
 
How would I test for rice or sunflower oil? [8|]

How would I test for rice or sunflower oil?

Add it in to his  food and see what happens. I am planning on adding in rice to JJ's food in a few months just to check and see if he really does have an allergy. I just haven't wanted to do it lately because I feel like I have been on a rollercoaster of foods with him and I just want to find stuff he will do fine on all the way around and keep him it for awhile. 

As it is I am trying to use up the 16 pounds of elk I bought by mixing about 1/8 of a cup into each meal.  I hate to waste it. I even thought of shipping it to you but I don't know how I would get it to stay fresh??? If adding this little bit in is appearing to give them loose stools I may pm you about mailing it to you. . .again just not sure how to keep it fresh during the shipping.

I even thought of shipping it to you but I don't know how I would get it to stay fresh???

Oh I had to laugh!!! [sm=rotfl.gif]
 
You don't need to worry about keeping it fresh, because both my bags from TWO had holes in them!! Oh, I thought that was so funny. [sm=lol.gif] I can't even get fresh bags straight from the company! [sm=rofl.gif] They were contaminated way longer too, since they were coming from Tennessee or something like that...you would be sending it from S. CA...and I am in Central CA. [&:]
 
On a serious note...so NICE of you to think of sending them to me! []
 
 

Twin- I just went back to Carol's original post about the canned food. Looks like there aren't a lot of grains maybe???
Also not sure but from her original post it looks like there might only be 1 released in the beginning with others to follow.??
I am excited!!!

Try the evangers and see what you think. Maybe the "hunk o beef" one???

OOOOHHH!  I am so glad you asked!!!!   We are indeed developing canned foods.  As a matter of fact I have just tried our first of the samples.  The first will be Pheasant, chicken liver, trout, and sweet potatoes.  Its in a wonderful aspic and smelled good enough that I almost grabbed a spoon.  But one look at Maynard's big brown eyes and I knew it was for him!
I don't think I have ever seen him dig into anything with so much relish in years (doesn't say much for my cooking does it?) 
Anyway, there are several more in the works including caribou, bison, and salmon formulas.  Keep your eyes open and the first ones will probably hit the market in about a month. Right now we're arguing with the printers because the labels did fit our quality control specs.  But what is in the cans is amazing!

Carol Cameron
TimberWolf Organics, Inc
[email=carol.cameron@timberwolforganics.com]carol.cameron@timberwolforganics.com[/email]

Oh I had to laugh!!!

You don't need to worry about keeping it fresh, because both my bags from TWO had holes in them!! Oh, I thought that was so funny. I can't even get fresh bags straight from the company! They were contaminated way longer too, since they were coming from Tennessee or something like that...you would be sending it from S. CA...and I am in Central CA.

On a serious note...so NICE of you to think of sending them to me!

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I totally fogot your had holes!! [] No need for me to worry then!   I just started adding in today so we will see how it goes, but if they have soft pooh, then it is not worth it and I will ship to you. I am not about to throw that $35 bag in the trash and I don't know anyone local who feeds it![]

Thank you for posting the canned info that Carol wrote...I was going to go search for it myself and you saved me some time, thank you! [] It does sound scrumptious!
 
I hope your pups tolerate the little bit of Elk...I know I would hate to waste that much food! Although, I don't know how many 4lb bags of food I have around the house the my boy would not eat. People think I am nuts! []

Although, I don't know how many 4lb bags of food I have around the house the my boy would not eat. People think I am nuts!

Well your not alone. . . I can't tell you how much dog food I have "Donated" over time.   My stepson got 30 pounds of Canidae and 20 pounds of EVO, a woman who works with the greyhound rescue takes dog food down to Mexico so I have given her about 30 pounds of NB and Pinnacle over the past few months.  Pinnacle and TWO are just so expensive and hard to find so I really hate not being able to give it to someone who actually uses it.

All the canned varieties I give to the rescue to use with the kennel dogs. Everytime I come into the rescue with new food to "donate" they just shake their heads at me. They seriously don't understand why I spend so much money on dog food. Actually I don't personally know anyone who cares about their dogs food as much as I do.[]

I am thinking more and more about the sunflower oil with your baby. Was it in all the foods you suspected their might be allergies with??
Chicken could definately be the culrit too. I wouldn't say rice because you aren't feeding anything with rice right now. Any sunflower oil in the EVO canned?? (I don't remember the ingredients off hand).

I am thinking more and more about the sunflower oil with your baby. Was it in all the foods you suspected their might be allergies with?? Chicken could definately be the culrit too. I wouldn't say rice because you aren't feeding anything with rice right now. Any sunflower oil in the EVO canned?? (I don't remember the ingredients off hand).

He started off on Beneful...which had about every bad ingredient you can think of...corn, wheat, rice, chicken-by-products, etc...but NO sunflower oil. He started itching on that food. Then I switched him to Nutro Natural Choice LB...that did have chicken, corn, wheat, and sunflower oil...he was getting worse. Then we went to CA Natural Chicken/Rice...which had chicken, rice, and sunflower oil. He was really bad on this food...at the peak of his reactions! []
 
Yes, the EVO 95% canned does have sunflower oil, but in some flavors its at the beginning of the list, whereas others it is at the end of the list...if that makes a difference? [8|]
 
So, I was doubting the sunflower oil because it wasn't in the Beneful, but who knows? Why I kept feeding chicken and rice is beyond me now! I was really dumb back then...so glad I have learned so much. I should have put him on a lamb and rice...oh well. I actually did get the CA Natural Lamb/Rice...but by that time he was so itchy and red that we had to start the elimination diet with the duck/potato.
 
So, I was thinking more chicken or rice...versus sunflower oil...but what if it's all 3?? []
 
ETA: I was feeding him Milkbone Puppy Bisquits this whole entire time...so I was thinking wheat was the culprit...I guess not?!

So, I was thinking more chicken or rice...versus sunflower oil...but what if it's all 3??

 
OK- so if I were you I would try NOT feeding the EVO canned and would feed something without chicken or sunflower oil. SO maybe something like evangers (the meat variety) that is just meat and nothing else OR get some beef and stick it in the crockpot with some water and just add a few tablespoons into his TWO Elk kibble right now. Then you will be able to see if there is a change.  Later down the line you can add in some oil or chicken and see if your pup reacts.