Reversing myself on raw eggs

ORIGINAL: Twin

Ahhhh I am so glad that I graduated! [] 

It is hard work, but you'll feel so good when it's over!

GOOD LUCK!

ORIGINAL: brookcove

I fed duck eggs while I had them.  Now (weeping bitter tears) that they aren't laying anymore, I either feed store eggs cooked pretty thoroughly (I make oatmeal and drop the egg mush in), or get farm eggs from a friend at church.

I know there is a slight risk in farm eggs, too, but there is also a slight risk in the chicken meat also.    Eggs are a vector, I'd be willing to bet, because there are just so darn many of them produced, and the confinement operations are disgusting, and the chickens are fed antibiotics with every bite of feed and water to keep them alive in those conditions (it's hard to believe no one saw this coming way back when they first started doing it).  The laying hens aren't fed "mycins" or "cillins" anymore, but they can still get the sulfides and tetracycline (not oxytet, though), and I think tylosin is free and clear.  I'm pretty sure there's no restrictions on the growers producing laying pullets (ie, before they go to the laying houses) - possibly they are not allowed to use spectinomycin but that's the only restriction I can find. 

There's also a range of antibiotics that are used prophylactically against coccidea and other protozoan menaces of the confinement environment.  This is actually the one that scares me more because dogs are JUST AS SUSCEPTIBLE to these bugs as people.  Plus, I had a good friend die from a RESISTANT coccideal infection that spread to his upper and lower pulmonary systems.  He was immune-challenged and very ill already, but that's an ugly way for anyone to go.

I'm with you on this one, and I think due caution is necessary, but I always come back to the fact that if we don't get away from factory produced groceries, that they will come back to "bite" us.  []

ORIGINAL: ron2

Those against raw have pointed out that even if your dog doesn't suffer from a parasitic beastie, you the human owner can suffer from it. Dogs shed active bacteria in their saliva and feces. The owner will come into contact with one or both.

ORIGINAL: lauric

ORIGINAL: ron2

Those against raw have pointed out that even if your dog doesn't suffer from a parasitic beastie, you the human owner can suffer from it. Dogs shed active bacteria in their saliva and feces. The owner will come into contact with one or both.

Studies found almost as much E-Coli in kibble feed dog poop as in raw fed dog poop.

Back when I had chickens my guys thought they were magic Peez dispensers.  The dogs would follow the chickens around and every time the chicken pooped - the dogs were right there to clean up.  YUCK!

But you want to talk about Salmonella exposure - THAT'S where it's the worst - in the chicken poop.

FWIW I never had a problem feeding my guys raw eggs every day (back when I was getting a couple dozen a day).  YMMV

Studies found almost as much E-Coli in kibble feed dog poop as in raw fed dog poop

Could you link that study, if possible?

ORIGINAL: ron2

Could you link that study, if possible?

From mutt to blue-blooded champion, all dogs harbor so-called coliform bacteria, which live in the gut. The group includes E. coli, a bacterium that can cause disease, and fecal coliform bacteria, which spread through feces. Dogs also carry salmonella and giardia.

Dog droppings are one of the leading sources of E. Coli ([linkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fecal_coliforms]fecal coliforms[/link]) bacteria pollution: Each gram of dog feces contains over 20,000,000 E. Coli colonies.

Another bit I found (will look for the official link later):

Vaccine 2002 Feb 22;20(11-12):1618-23 Immunogenicity of chi4127 phoP- Salmonella enterica serovar Typhimurium in dogs. McVey DS, Chengappa MM, Mosier DE, Stone GG, Oberst RD, Sylte MJ, Gabbert NM, Kelly-Aehle SM, Curtiss R. "Salmonellae are commonly isolated from dogs. The number of dogs infected with Salmonella spp. is surprisingly high and greater than the incidence of clinical disease would suggest.