Reversing myself on raw eggs

I never could feed mine raw, always scramble them.  Or on rare occasions, boil them  HARD.  This is a bit of interesting information.  I know many do feed raw eggs and many have never ever had a problem.  But I am just such a worry wart that I can't and won't take a chance.  There are to many risks that can't be avoided, but i sure try to avoid any and all that i can.

Microbial contamination I take as part of life - multidrug resistant microbial contamination is a whole nother story.

 
  I had been cooking Jessie's eggs for a while but put a raw one in her kibble yesterday; thanks for posting this; I will soft scramble them from now on, and no more over easy for me either.

I don't feed my dog raw eggs...
 
But I just wanted to add that I thought that dogs did not get exposure to the same strains of bacteria as us. Therefore, they would not get salmonella. Am I just off the wall with this thought? [8|]

I don't know.....I read Dr Mercola site all the time,,,he himself eats raw eggs. Only thing he changed is the fact that he no longer believes that the yolk has enough biotin to make up for the raw white that might cause a problem,,,so he suggest cookng the white most of the time.    That is what I have been doing.
 
Also,,, we should be aware that if there is going to be an allergy to eggs,  I have read several times its cooked eggs that cause allergies
 
On the other hand,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, do we figure that raw eggs cause salmonella and so does raw meat? And raw bones??

But I just wanted to add that I thought that dogs did not get exposure to the same strains of bacteria as us. Therefore, they would not get salmonella. Am I just off the wall with this thought

 
   Twin, could you please explain your question? When you say "dogs did not get exposure to the same strains of bacteria" do you mean through evolution? Interesting thought.

ORIGINAL: Twin

I don't feed my dog raw eggs...

But I just wanted to add that I thought that dogs did not get exposure to the same strains of bacteria as us. Therefore, they would not get salmonella. Am I just off the wall with this thought? [8|]

Well here's what I've learned (and I'm only a public health student so keep that in mind).
1. There are about 2000 serotypes of salmonella that cause human disease. A number of them also cause animal disease but not all are created equal -so that a strain that might cause disease in sheep may only be carried by emu (making the exmples up).

2. HOWEVER Salmonella is very host adaptable  and have broad tropic ranges. So for instance typhimurium, responsible for about 26% of food poisoning infections (emedicine.com) vs enteriditis which is about 21% (all the rest are in frequencies of 10s) has a very broad host range including humans, cattle, pigs, sheep, horses, poultry and rodents (Host Adaptation and the emergence of infectious disease:the salmonella paradigm. Molecular Microbiology 2000. vol 36(5) 1006-1014).

It says nothing about dogs, but given these two pieces of information, and the frequency with which we see typhimurium and multidrug resistant typhimurium(DT104 is ampicillin, chloramphenicol, streptomycin, sulfonamides and tetracycline resistant for example) if not yet, soon.  CDC identified DT104 in "32% of the Salmonella typhimurium strains isolated from humans in 1996 up from 28% in 1995 and 7% in 1990.

3. Further, there is a resistant structure that typhimurium among others produces called a biofilm. It is a physical network of colonies that is quite resistant to antimicrobials and has to be physically disrupted or otherwise cause a reservoir of continuous infection. So at least from the human point of view, even if dogs are not susceptible, we should really be taking care when handling raw eggs anyway.

This is probably too much. I've been working on this gosh awful final all week!  I'm no germphobe, but this just struck me as crucial information to be shared.

Paula

ORIGINAL: dyan

I don't know.....I read Dr Mercola site all the time,,,he himself eats raw eggs. Only thing he changed is the fact that he no longer believes that the yolk has enough biotin to make up for the raw white that might cause a problem,,,so he suggest cookng the white most of the time.    That is what I have been doing.

Also,,, we should be aware that if there is going to be an allergy to eggs,  I have read several times its cooked eggs that cause allergies

On the other hand,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, do we figure that raw eggs cause salmonella and so does raw meat? And raw bones??

Well raw eggs themselves have an added risk because there can be contamination by the hen to the egg in (utero?) that can penetrate the shell into the egg proper. As for raw chicken. The fresh necks I get from the turkey farm I feed raw, but the meat I buy from the grocery stores I have no idea how long it's been there and how many hands it's been through etc so I scald that. Besides, with meat it's the grinding of it that mixes bacteria in.

Paula

I've always wondered how humans get away with eating raw eggs.How many people crack one in their smoothies..lots i bet! I do it too and i have never thought about salmonella,these things never cross my mind for me or my dogs.

Thanks Paula,for taking the time to post everything.Your brain must be fried after doing all of this studying [sm=eek.gif]

ORIGINAL: Edie


Thanks Paula,for taking the time to post everything.Your brain must be fried after doing all of this studying [sm=eek.gif]

LET ME TELLYA!  And I'm not done. Tomorrow I have to do the last question ...just a small grant proposal.  ARG. It's all due on Monday by midnight. The whole exam was 30 multiple choice, 30 T/F a 20pt causation problem and a 20point grant proposal.  The causation was a biyatch! By comparison a grant proposal would be like a walk through a sunny meadow.

Paula

This is probably too much. I've been working on this gosh awful final all week! I'm no germphobe, but this just struck me as crucial information to be shared.

 
  It wasn't too much; it was very interesting and very important; good luck on getting everything done on time and thanks again for posting this.[]

Wow this is interesting, I dont even know what to think of it all.
 
Lizzie gets a raw egg almost daily and has never had a problem. I have been told to mix a raw egg into a malt for my anemia and I dont really see a difference but its tasty!

ORIGINAL: LizzieCollie

Wow this is interesting, I dont even know what to think of it all.

Lizzie gets a raw egg almost daily and has never had a problem. I have been told to mix a raw egg into a malt for my anemia and I dont really see a difference but its tasty!

Like I said; I think the risk of microbial contamination is just part of life. What struck me about this information is the relative speed with which this organism is picking up antimicrobial resistance.  Times they are a changin' I guess.

Paula

I fed duck eggs while I had them.  Now (weeping bitter tears) that they aren't laying anymore, I either feed store eggs cooked pretty thoroughly (I make oatmeal and drop the egg mush in), or get farm eggs from a friend at church.

I know there is a slight risk in farm eggs, too, but there is also a slight risk in the chicken meat also.    Eggs are a vector, I'd be willing to bet, because there are just so darn many of them produced, and the confinement operations are disgusting, and the chickens are fed antibiotics with every bite of feed and water to keep them alive in those conditions (it's hard to believe no one saw this coming way back when they first started doing it).  The laying hens aren't fed "mycins" or "cillins" anymore, but they can still get the sulfides and tetracycline (not oxytet, though), and I think tylosin is free and clear.  I'm pretty sure there's no restrictions on the growers producing laying pullets (ie, before they go to the laying houses) - possibly they are not allowed to use spectinomycin but that's the only restriction I can find. 

There's also a range of antibiotics that are used prophylactically against coccidea and other protozoan menaces of the confinement environment.  This is actually the one that scares me more because dogs are JUST AS SUSCEPTIBLE to these bugs as people.  Plus, I had a good friend die from a RESISTANT coccideal infection that spread to his upper and lower pulmonary systems.  He was immune-challenged and very ill already, but that's an ugly way for anyone to go.

I'm with you on this one, and I think due caution is necessary, but I always come back to the fact that if we don't get away from factory produced groceries, that they will come back to "bite" us.  []

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