Primal Raw

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    Primal Raw

    We just started carrying this in the store where I work a couple months ago and I am impressed with the product and the company. Anyone else use it? Have comments?
    I mostly feed Columbia River and I prefer the larger grind of it..but the Primal is awesome and they offer such a variety.
    [linkhttp://www.primalpetfoods.com/index.htm]http://www.primalpetfoods.com/index.htm[/link]
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    Looks good enough for me to eat.
     
    • Bronze
    We tried it with Ricky a little over 2 weeks ago when
    we first introduced Ricky to raw. He loved it as he does
    all of his food but it's really expensive so now we're
    feeding Nature's Variety frozen raw.

    The company was very good at answering any questions
    and said the main difference between them and NV is that
    they have 70% meat and 30% fruit & Veg and NV has 95%
    meat and 5% fruits & Vegies. They felt that was too much
    for a dog.

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    Yes, he said the same thing when he came to visit us at the shop..regarding the ratio being too high for dogs. I am going to a seminar on raw feeding tonight at the Oregon Zoo and Primal will be there with 6 other raw companies. It will be sort of a  round table with experts and formulators offering information and answering questions. It will be interesting to hear opinions about the different formulations. Primal is one of the more expensive brands we carry..but not THE most expensive.
     
    Have you tried Natures Variety Rabbit with your dog yet? Mine loved it.
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    Yes, but there are a couple raw diets out there. If going by a prey model diet, NV is going to be better for your dog, I think. I could be wrong.
    Anyway, I feed NV raw instincts kibble.
    I MIGHT be willing to give this food a try. Where can I get it at?
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    Yes, but there are a couple raw diets out there. If going by a prey model diet, NV is going to be better for your dog, I think. I could be wrong.
    Anyway, I feed NV raw instincts kibble.
    I MIGHT be willing to give this food a try. Where can I get it at?

     
    I'm not disagreeing with you...but why would NV be better for your dog?
     
     
    I got this from their retail locator on their web site.
    [linkhttp://www.primalpetfoods.com/search/retail/city_il/chicago.htm]http://www.primalpetfoods.com/search/retail/city_il/chicago.htm[/link]
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    ORIGINAL: maisey

    Yes, but there are a couple raw diets out there. If going by a prey model diet, NV is going to be better for your dog, I think. I could be wrong.
    Anyway, I feed NV raw instincts kibble.
    I MIGHT be willing to give this food a try. Where can I get it at?


    I'm not disagreeing with you...but why would NV be better for your dog?



    I got this from their retail locator on their web site.
    [linkhttp://www.primalpetfoods.com/search/retail/city_il/chicago.htm]http://www.primalpetfoods.com/search/retail/city_il/chicago.htm[/link]




    No, heh, [:)]I mean if you go by a prey model diet instead of say a BARF type diet.
    But I followed that with basically "I'm not sure", because I'm not.[:D]
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    aw! And thanks for finding store in Chicago for me!
    Can I order online?
    That might be quicker than driving up to Chicago.
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    Have you tried Natures Variety Rabbit with your dog yet? Mine loved it.


    No I haven't seen the Natures Variety Rabbit, I'll have to check it out! Is it new?

    he said the same thing when he came to visit us at the shop..regarding the ratio being too high for dogs. I am going to a seminar on raw feeding tonight at the Oregon Zoo and Primal will be there with 6 other raw companies


    I'll be very curious what was said at the seminar,please keep us posted!


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    The rabbit is pretty new..I'm not sure how new. I lose track of time easily..lol.
    The seminar was nice..talked much about some of the issues customers have concerns about. Bacteria, feeding raw bones etc. Also talked about transitioning dogs onto raw and about feeding immune compromised dogs or cats raw. Personally I was hoping for some more in depth stuff..I wanted to learn something new. What I learned is how new feeding raw is in so much of the country. It was noted that here in Portland, OR..raw feeding has been around longer. One of the speakers told us that she found an ad in a Dog Fancy magazine from 1947 where you could buy a box of raw meat portions for dogs. There were instructions on the top of the box telling the consumer to "lightly cook it" prior to feeding.
    I learned that at the Raw Advantage plant there are literally three people who have contact with the food. That surprised me.
    We also talked about the lack of studies done in this industry..one of the manufactuers on the panel has done one..or rather is in the middle of one. She makes Wild Kitty brand raw food. She is having a study done at a University (forgot which one)...it's very expensive to do, especially for a small company.
    Although I was wishing for more detailed information..new stuff..two things occured to me during the seminar.
    I was more than a little surprised at how many retailers were asking the most basic of questions..they didn't seem to have much knowlege on the topic. I have only worked at the shop I work at now...so my experience is founded in a shop where we are constantly seeking to learn more. We spend more time talking with our customers and trying to educate. I couldn't believe how many times the question was asked "how do I convince a customer to try raw in 10 seconds?" 10 seconds?!? Our shop is just not like that..at all. We spend much time asking questions and answering them...It's not unusual that I offer to go home and research something for someone. If I don't know the answer..I'll do my best to get one for them. I'm not afraid to say "I don't know". Generally if I have to say "I don't know" to a customer...even if they don't take me up on the offer to find out for them ..I have to check it out. It will bug me until I do. I have been called a nutrition nerd..maybe it is true =) It seemed to me that some of these shops that are selling the better quality foods have only the knowlege they have been given by the rep...and I have talked to some clueless reps! Now I know why they look at me oddly when they stop into the shop and I have tons of questions.I think it's great that all these retailers were there learning and I hope it sparked an interest in them to learn even more.
    The second thing that occured to me is that all these raw manufacturers sat together on a panel and answered questions and educated people about raw feeding. You would not see Iams, Purina and all those companies doing the same...there is just no way. The discussions were not centered on whose product was better, or sales..no competition. Just education. It's a different kind of industry, they even discussed rotating amongst other raw foods and how they were willing to share freezer programs. Thats two companies willing to make you a really good deal on a freezer and their products which they know will be sharing space and competing with each other! I was impressed. The conversation always came back to whats best for the dog or cat.
    My 17 year old daughter has started working at the shop a day or two a week and this seminar was great for her..she gained alot from it. I'm glad I went.
     
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    I like this food. I usually feed NV (Nature's Variety) raw with some cooked and some cooked veggies and a little bit of carb. My dogs are spoiled and two of them don't like straight raw. The Primal is in about the same proportion to that. I think I'll generally use the NV because the meat content is the same in a six lb. bag as in an eight lb. bag of Primal. Eight pounds  of Primal is about $10.00 more than six of NV. I can get good quality veggies/carbs pretty cheaply--even grow some of it. But, the feed store three minutes away sells Primal and the store I get NV from is a 20 minute drive, so there will be the occasional Primal purchase.

    If I were feeding the straight raw with no supplemented food, I think I'd prefer the Primal, but with three large dogs every penny counts for me!
     
    ETA: I did do blood/urine on my dogs before starting their current diet and again four months later. The differences were impressive. They went from "normal" to either very good or excellent. So it's not just softer coats. Previously they were on a Whole Dog Journal recommended kibble with either canned or cooked. They do get about one Honest Kitchen Embark meal a week, but with a little cooked added.
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    Maisey-
    That seminar sounds like it would've been impressive!

    I can't believe some retailers come into your shop and have NO clue about what they're selling.
    Craaazy.
    I love little shops like yours. I get Ella's food from a little shop like yours and the lady that runs it is SOOO helpful. She feeds ALL of her dogs raw and is very encouraging about it, but, she also understands those that don't want to feed raw and helps those in transition.
    If it weren't for shops like where you work, I fear we'd all be uneducated.
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    Thank you Maisey for the upate!!

    I'm new to feeding raw and like all of us here we want
    the best for our babies!!

    I'm just wondering if I should be concerned about the higher protein in NV, it
    seems most of the pre-made frozen raw is 70%meat and 30% fruit's & vegies?


    If I were feeding the straight raw with no supplemented food,
    I think I'd prefer the Primal


    Stacita, I'm feeding 100% NV raw and I'm curious why you would choose NV over Primal?
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    I can't believe some retailers come into your shop and have NO clue about what they're selling.
    Craaazy.

     
    Noooo, they didn't come into our shop....they were at the seminar. I've only been to couple of other shops..
     
    the one I work at is literally down the street from me and years ago when I started searching for better foods for my little guy that had some health issues..this was the shop I found and stuck with. The owner was FULL of information and was so willing to explain things to me. I just never bothered to go anywhere else. We became friends after a while, and one day (a year or so later) I told her I was quitting my job and didn't have a clue what I was going to do..she offered me a job and I accepted. I had sunk myself pretty far at that point into learning about nutrition for dogs and cats and she needed someone who knew how to talk to customers about the food. I love working for her, in fact it's the first time in a very long time that I look forward to going to work. I guess I should go into other shops and have a look, see whats out there, I just haven't. So I was shocked at how uneducated other shop owners were at the seminar..I had assumed they were just like our shop. We are different in many ways I guess..we have homeopathics and herbal tinctures and we actually know what they are =) We sell books on those topics and others, we have lists of web sites people can go to and learn more (including this one) She is a groomer and we have a self serve pet wash. There is a alot going on in this little shop. I have four dogs and she has two..they are our testers =)
    I'm not saying all the shop owners in Portland are uneducated....that would not be true at all. It just surprised me that a bunch of them were not educated about raw feeding and some of those are selling it without knowlege to pass along to the customer.
     
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    I'm just wondering if I should be concerned about the higher protein in NV, it
    seems most of the pre-made frozen raw is 70%meat and 30% fruit's & vegies?

     
    If you rotate around, offering different brands as well as different proteins alot of these worries can be eliminated. I have a freezer for my dogs in my laundry room..and at this moment there is alot of Columbia River, a bunch of NW Naturals, two bags of NV, one Primal bag of patties and 6 chubs. I brought home a tube of Canz frozen Country Pet to try..even though it is a cooked food, so thats in there too. There are bones from Raw Advantage, Primal and a couple from NV and a 5# chub of Happy Pet Beef. Some are premixes, some are not. I also have a bag of NV salmon and brown rice, and a big bag of California Naturals Herring and Sweet Potato in the house. There are a couple cans from various companies as well. Variety is good =) I believe you are more likely to achieve balance and wellness when offering variety..and the dogs love it. Of course not everyones dogs could handle quick changes, there is that occasional dog who needs careful change overs and the picky dog. Not one of my four dogs seems to be sensitive to anything except pork..too much of that at a time and we have many trips outside.