(moved this to another thread because I felt like I was taking over someone elses) Beniful

Can you post the ingredient list? I can't seem to find it online anywhere...

Sure I have to go and eat now but, I will post it when I come back.

Maxximum Nutrition is Purina One, packaged for Walmart. It's probably about the best thing you'll find,there. 

Maxximum Nutrition is Purina One, packaged for Walmart. It's probably about the best thing you'll find,there

ORIGINAL: jennie_c_d

Maxximum Nutrition is Purina One, packaged for Walmart. It's probably about the best thing you'll find,there. 

 
So this is good then? Oh and for Luvntzus. (By the Gingerbread is so cute! I love that name. I had a lahasa apso named ginger when i was very young)
 
 
ingredients: chicken, wheat flour,ground wheat, ground yellow corn,chicken meal, corn gluten meal, animal fat preserved with mixed tocopherols,animal digest,salt,potassium chloride,dicalcium, phosphate,,calcum carbonate,choline chloride,L-Lysine monohydrochloride,zinc sulfate, vitamin e supplement,naicin, vitamin a supplement,calcum pantothenate,thiamine mononitrate,copper sulfate,rivoflavin suppliment, vitamin b 12 suppliment, pyridoxine hydrochloride,garlice oil,folic acid, vitaman d 3, sodium bisulfife,complexvitamin k, sodium selenite. Hope I didnt miss anything!
 

It's not as bad as Beneful (ingredient wise), but I would say Purina One has better ingredients if you can get that:

Purina One adult:
Chicken (natural source of glucosamine), brewers rice, corn gluten meal, poultry by-product meal (natural source of glucosamine), whole grain corn, whole grain wheat, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), non-fat yogurt, animal digest [copied from the website]

I can try but this stuff seems good to me its supposed to be super premimum.

Have you checked out the links we posted for you?  Do this:  take your bag... and compare the ingredients to the information on the links Kelly and I posted for you.  Then compare the ingredients for some of the real super premium foods.  Here is the link to Canidae's ingred's for starters:
 
[linkhttp://www.canidae.com/dogs/all_life_stages/dry.html]http://www.canidae.com/dogs/all_life_stages/dry.html[/link]
 
 

Baileys mom: do you mind if I call you Baileys mom? lol
 
But anyway, I feed Purina One, and my ingredients are a bit different. Im assuming yours is the chicken formula. I feed the Puppy Lamb and Rice. I find those ingredients are a tad bit better, but I think Bailey is past the puppy food []
 
Here are the ingredients: Lamb, brewers rice (eh) corn gluten meal (eh), oat meal (ok), fish meal (ok) pultry by-product, non-fat yogurt, and animal digest.
 
If you can only buy grocery store foods, then One is the best you can get there.
 
Dont worry, I used to feed Beneful to my puppy, and my mom had been feeding Beneful to her Golden!
 
The bag is really good looking, but you shouldnt go buy how nice the bag is, or what the bag says it contains. On the back there is always a 'the heart shaped kibbles contain this' 'the bone shaped kibble contains this' etc. But you should always look at the actual ingredients.
 
Good luck with Bailey!

ORIGINAL: BaileyIsMyStar


So this is good then? Oh and for Luvntzus. (By the Gingerbread is so cute! I love that name. I had a lahasa apso named ginger when i was very young)


ingredients: chicken, wheat flour,ground wheat, ground yellow corn,chicken meal, corn gluten meal, animal fat preserved with mixed tocopherols,animal digest,salt,potassium chloride,dicalcium, phosphate,,calcum carbonate,choline chloride,L-Lysine monohydrochloride,zinc sulfate, vitamin e supplement,naicin, vitamin a supplement,calcum pantothenate,thiamine mononitrate,copper sulfate,rivoflavin suppliment, vitamin b 12 suppliment, pyridoxine hydrochloride,garlice oil,folic acid, vitaman d 3, sodium bisulfife,complexvitamin k, sodium selenite. Hope I didnt miss anything!

Thank you for the compliments on Gingerbread! []

As far as the ingredients, I'd say it's a small step up from Beneful. Above, I've bolded the ingredients that aren't that healthy for dogs.

Wheat is a huge allergen for dogs and very often responsible for itching, ear infections, etc.

Corn gluten meal- gluten is a basically a "glue" that sticks to the intestinal walls and interferes with nutrient absorbtion. And in cases where the intestinal walls are damaged, secondary allergies can start occuring to all kinds of ingredients that are normally healthy.

"animal" fat- This can come from leftover restaurant grease, rendered dead animals, anything really. [:'(]

sodium bisulfite is artificial vitamin k; most dog food manufacturers are removing it from their foods because it's been shown to cause health problems.

I would really recommend reading the article linked below. It's the single easiest to understand, reader friendly info on dog nutrition that I've found.

[linkhttp://www.woodhavenlabs.com/dogfoods.html]http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/dogfoods.html[/link]

intestinal walls and interferes with nutrient absorbtion.

I just want to point out that there is no truth behind this, and it is impossible to "stick" to the walls of the intestine.  The pepsin and HCl from the stomach denature the "gluten" qualities which would make this impossible.

This might make it a little easier to understand. I've posted the ingredient list for Maxximum below and then below that the ingredients for Chicken Soup for the Dog Lover's Soul. Even without much knowledge of nutrition, it's easy to see a HUGE difference in the foods. (And by the way, I've found that Chicken Soup is almost the same price as Beneful, even though it's leaps and bounds better!)
 
Maxximum
 
ingredients: chicken, wheat flour,ground wheat, ground yellow corn,chicken meal, corn gluten meal, animal fat preserved with mixed tocopherols,animal digest,salt,potassium chloride,dicalcium, phosphate,,calcum carbonate,choline chloride,L-Lysine monohydrochloride,zinc sulfate, vitamin e supplement,naicin, vitamin a supplement,calcum pantothenate,thiamine mononitrate,copper sulfate,rivoflavin suppliment, vitamin b 12 suppliment, pyridoxine hydrochloride,garlice oil,folic acid, vitaman d 3, sodium bisulfife,complexvitamin k, sodium selenite.
 
Chicken Soup for the Dog Lover's Soul
 
Chicken, turkey, chicken meal, ocean fish meal, cracked pearled barley, whole grain brown rice, oatmeal, millet, white rice, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), potatoes, egg product, tomato pomace, duck, salmon, flaxseed, natural chicken flavor, choline chloride, dried chicory root, kelp, carrots, peas, apples, tomatoes, blueberries, spinach, dried skim milk, cranberry powder, rosemary extract, parsley flake, yucca schidigera extract, L-carnitine, Enterococcus faecieum, Lactobacillus casei, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Saccharomyces cerevesiae fermentation solubles, dried Aspergillus oryzae fermentation extract, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin, vitamin D supplement, folic acid.
 
[linkhttp://www.chickensoupforthepetloverssoul.com/index.php]http://www.chickensoupforthepetloverssoul.com/index.php[/link]

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intestinal walls and interferes with nutrient absorbtion.

I just want to point out that there is no truth behind this, and it is impossible to "stick" to the walls of the intestine.  The pepsin and HCl from the stomach denature the "gluten" qualities which would make this impossible.

 
Ahhhh, okay I'm editing my post because I re-read the article and you and Dogtor J are both right. It does stick, but then acids the body makes removes them, and that is where the problems start....

A few excerpts from Dogtor J's site:
 
There are three food ingredients that adhere to the villi of the duodenum and induce the change that is characteristic of celiac disease known as villous atrophy. These three substances are gluten (from the grains), casein (from cow milk products), and soy protein.

 
In an attempt to digest these grasses and their "glue" (along with dairy and soy), our stomach adds as much acid as possible to break them down. Heart burn, anyone? (Yes, my two years of acid reflux abated after just one week of being gluten- free. This, again, should be no surprise.) But, the increased acid is inadequate to eliminate the "glue". It is this sticky substance that adheres to the villi of the duodenum. Whether it be from wheat, cow milk, soy, corn, or the others mentioned, it adheres to these finger-like projections of the intestine that are vital for the absorption of nutrients, effectively reducing the amount of those essential ingredients that would be absorbed into the bloodstream.
 

[linkhttp://www.dogtorj.net/]http://www.dogtorj.net/[/link]

Can you point me to the part where he states this about corn gluten meal?

Yup, please see above in my edited post.

I do not agree with that at ALL.  The "glue" he is referring to is not a "glue" at all...it is food mushed together called a bolus with no adhesive properties.  For that to happen you would need an absence of every enzyme in the stomach with just the addition of water...that is how it becomes "sticky."  He failed to mention the acidic properties in the stomach (as I mentioned above) that DENATURE the protein part of the gluten which is what makes it sticky.  I read through the site and loved where he says: "[font="verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif"][size="2"]As we all know, it is the nature of the starches to be sticky. And, as it turns out, the foods that are the "stickiest" are the ones that cause the most problems. This should not be a surprise once this issue is introduced. Casein and gluten are used for the most powerful adhesives. Therefore, it should be not be a shock that they are the number one and number two childhood food allergens"  

You want to know why they are the number one and two cause of allergies in children?? Because it is the lack of acids in the stomach to denature these proteins, NOT it's adhesive quality. 

What he is stating seem to simply be a theory...
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