Why is Beneful Bad?

Sandra has tried other foods, without success. That doesn't mean that she has to keep on changing foods. My comment about Sandra was in regards to her success with the Purina formula she uses, which is different than Beneful. That is, Lizzie can tell her mother that it is worth buying the formula Sandra uses because her dogs have done so well on it, if only to get her away from Beneful, which is evidently not working for the dog. I could also mention the "N" word but I'm not sure they have it in Puerto Rico. And it might be to expensive for them, even then. Take whatever your feeding your dog (I don't care if it's raw, kibble or ground up cardboard) and add approximately 50 to 100 dollars to it, everytime you buy say approx, 20 to 30 lbs. And do it on minimum wage ($5.25/hr). If you make say $10 / hr or more, add a couple of hundred. If you can do that math, you can see what she is up against.

Glenmar i'm not sure why you felt the need to take a crack shot at me [8|] Nowhere in my post do i refer to anyones generation.Why you even brought that up,as well as blood work,teeth and coats is beyond me  >insert confused icon<

It seemed Lizzies mom was resistant to change,which was why i asked Ron to clarify why he would want her to relay sandra's experiences,who also doesnt want to change her dogs food.

ORIGINAL: ron2

 I could also mention the "N" word but I'm not sure they have it in Puerto Rico.

 
Sorry to get off topic but ron, you crazk me up everytime you say this! [sm=biggrin.gif]

we are treating the durn mange with Ivomec, shes due for the second shot, and at least it isnt anyworse.

Have you talked to Callie about mange?

You know that this dog needs to be spayed, right?

ORIGINAL: glenmar


Puh leeze lets not start this people of her generation being resistent to change stuff again. 

 
I think you may be reding a little much into her post.  She never said that.

ORIGINAL: jennie_c_d

Have you talked to Callie about mange?

You know that this dog needs to be spayed, right?

 
 
huh?

I haven't had to deal with mange so I'm not totally up on it, BUT, as I understand it, once they have mange they can always get it again...depends I think on the type of mites.  The recurrences happen when the immune system is stressed and the HEAT CYCLE is a huge stressor.  That's why the dog should be spayed.  Plus, you don't want to pass that genetic weakness on to pups.

ORIGINAL: ron2

Sandra has tried other foods, without success. That doesn't mean that she has to keep on changing foods.

 
From my understanding, she tried ONE other food YEARS ago. And also she feeds tons of healthy homecooked foods, and I believe even supplements on a daily basis. I'd say that has a lot more to do with her dogs' good health than Purina.

ORIGINAL: glenmar

I haven't had to deal with mange so I'm not totally up on it, BUT, as I understand it, once they have mange they can always get it again...depends I think on the type of mites.  The recurrences happen when the immune system is stressed and the HEAT CYCLE is a huge stressor.  That's why the dog should be spayed.  Plus, you don't want to pass that genetic weakness on to pups.

 
Thank you Glenda, I get it now. Mom does not want to breed her anymore, I have totally convinced her of that, due to the fact that she has always been a sickly pup (thank you BYB's!) and this is the second time shes had to deal with the mange. Its sucks because we cant take her to the hospitals anymore [] But as soon as she gets starts to get better we will be getting her spayed, I feel so bad for the girl

You're welcome.  I know that there is a lot more to it than that rather simple explanation, but sometimes the basics are enough! []
 
What flipping difference does it make if Sandra has tried ONE or one hundred different foods??  Sandra has SAID she would be willing to change if she saw a need, so she isn't refusing to change.  And why are HER feeding methods even an issue here?  It's not like she is pushing anyone else to feed the way that she does.......
 
Sorry, but I really get tired of Sandra's feeding being dragged out for public flogging every now and then.......[&o]

ORIGINAL: glenmar

What flipping difference does it make if Sandra has tried ONE or one hundred different foods??  Sandra has SAID she would be willing to change if she saw a need, so she isn't refusing to change.  And why are HER feeding methods even an issue here?  It's not like she is pushing anyone else to feed the way that she does.......

Sorry, but I really get tired of Sandra's feeding being dragged out for public flogging every now and then.......[&o]

 
The "flipping" difference is that the impression that's being given is that other foods (plural) were tried and the only one that worked was Purina, but that isn't really the case....
 
I also personally think it's a little misleading for newbies to get the impression that because of Purina her dogs are absolutely thriving when she adds tons of healthy homecooked foods on a very regular basis.

there have been some incorrect statements about amino acids in some posts here, and I, biochemist, would like to chime in. Proteins are chains of amino acids. There are 26 major types of amino acids, and several minor variants of these. All animals contain similar profiles of these amino acids. Plants do not. Corn does contain protein, but it is deficient in certain amino acids and high in other amino acids. If your only or primary source of protein is corn, you may appear to consume sufficient protein to sustain life, but you are actually not-- you are deficient in some animo acids. If you continue to eat this way, you will develop serious illnesses and then drop dead. All plant sources of protein have this problem. Humans are only able to exist on a vegetarian diet by carefully selecting different plants to eat, to ensure a balanced amino acid profile. And even then most vegetarians must consume artificial supplements in order to remain adequately nourished. And this is for a human, a creature designed to eat high levels of vegetation. It's even worse for dogs. Trying to feed a carnivore on a plant-based diet is just silly. Even if you manage to balance the major 26 amino acids, what about the minor variants that don't really exist in plants? taurine deficiency that killed so many cats comes to mind. Only really severe malnutrition shows up in overt disease. Minor malnutrition problems usually show up as depressed immune system, premature aging, lack of energy, fatness, things that aren't obviously linked to poor diet.
 
bottom line, corn and soy based diets aren't adequate for dogs.

The "flipping" difference is that the impression that's being given is that other foods (plural) were tried and the only one that worked was Purina, but that isn't really the case....

I also personally think it's a little misleading for newbies to get the impression that because of Purina her dogs are absolutely thriving when she adds tons of healthy homecooked foods on a very regular basis.

 
I have NEVER said or hinted I tried several different foods.  I have ALWAYS said I tried the one on Buck, he threw it up every meal for 4 days and I tossed it and went back to Purina.   This was long before i even knew about dog forums, etc.  And if it were today, i tried ONE and it was a miserable (for Buck) failure, I would not even try another, but go back to what was working for him.  Also, when I tell about using the Purina i also tell about the homecooked.  And I never suggest anyone use Purina, i just say it works for me.
 
Also as to the tons of homecooked, they get about 1 cup of homecooked for every 3 cups or maybe more or the Purina they get.  I wouldn't really call that tons.
 
Now, as to confusion for new comers.  One gets on and suggests a food, then here comes another saying it isn't really such a great food and often gives an indredint list.  They suggest some else that works for their dog and gives an ingredeint list for that food.  But then here comes a couple more and says THAT brand didn't work for their dogs, caused the cow patty poops.  But such and such  brands worked for their dogs.  Then another comes on and suggests the same food first mentioned.
 
Then you have the Corn is no good for the dogs.  No, corn is okay for dogs if they don't have an allergy to it. Dogs get nothing out of corn.  Actually, dogs can process cooked corn and do get something out of it.  Dogs need a certain amount of fruit and veggies.  No, dogs don't need any fruit or veggies.  Dogs need a certain amount of grains, be it wheat, rice, corn.  No, dogs do not need any grains.  No, dogs need a little grain.
 
Now, all the above is confusing to me.  Me saying I feed my dogs Purina with some home cooked (and usually even tell what I use) is not confusing or misleading in any way.  Misleading would be to only say I usd purina, or to say I used only home cooked, or to say I use a preminum brand that i do not use.

Thank you Glenda, I get it now. Mom does not want to breed her anymore, I have totally convinced her of that, due to the fact that she has always been a sickly pup (thank you BYB's!) and this is the second time shes had to deal with the mange. Its sucks because we cant take her to the hospitals anymore But as soon as she gets starts to get better we will be getting her spayed, I feel so bad for the girl

Yeah, email Callie and ask about her mange article. It's more complicated than just spaying. Demodex (which is what it sounds like, if she's had it multiple times and it's being treated with ivermectin) is very much immune related, and can become a major problem.

she tried ONE other food YEARS ago

 
Maybe that once was enough. And yes, I do think fresh homecooked certainly can't hurt. If it's supplemented or supplemental.