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Exclusive May Not Be Going So Well :-(

Posted : 7/22/2006 9:53:32 AM

How long does it take for you to see a bad reaction with a new food? Lizzie has been on Exclusive Puppy (Chicken and Rice) and the day before yesterday she got a bad bout of diarea (?) and yesterday she was still pooping a bit mushy. This morning when I went to take her out of her crate the poor girl had soiled in her crate [&o]

She has NEVER EVER soiled in her crate so I know she had to be feeling pretty bad to not be able to hold it. She looked absolutely miserable. Im making her a bit of pumpkin to see if that will firm up her stools.

By the way ive been feeding Exclusive for exactly one week today. Would I have seen the reaction right away? Or is this the time where everything goes wrong? I hope its not the food, I got the feed shop to special order an 18lb bag for me and Id hate to tell them I wont need it Please Help!!

dvet

Posted : 7/22/2006 10:49:14 AM

has she had chicken before??

Julitza

Posted : 7/22/2006 10:58:27 AM

Yep her breeder had her on Eukanuba, which has chicken and she was on Beneful before which has some sort of chicken. Ive also given her raw chicken since the day she came home and its always gone well

Christi

Posted : 7/22/2006 10:59:23 AM

I think maybe she's still getting used to it. Did you mix with the old? I remember that you were doing some raw - did you add something different that might be causing this?

Julitza

Posted : 7/22/2006 11:05:11 AM

I did give her some Ground Beef the other day and I dont think that agreed with her very much. It wasnt the first time she got it though. The ground beef was like 2 days ago, would she still be cleaning out her system if it upset her tummy?

Also, Im no longer mixing in Beneful, she got it the first 3 days but I only had a bit left so she isnt getting it anymore

Christi

Posted : 7/22/2006 11:49:04 AM

Was the ground beef raw or cooked? I have a friend whose GSD can't handle raw beef but does well if it's boiled. If what you gave Lizzie was cooked, was it boiled or cooked in a pan in it's own juices/fat? If it was pan-cooked the grease may have caused the tummy upset. I'd give her the pumpkin and stick with the Exclusive and the chicken you currently give her since you say she normally has no problems with it.

jessies_mom

Posted : 7/22/2006 6:57:48 PM

I hope the poor thing gets better soon; until she gets over the diarrhea it would be a good idea to feed her a bland diet like boiled chicken or boiled hamburger and rice. If you fed her raw ground beef it is possible that she got some e-coli from it.

Julitza

Posted : 7/23/2006 10:53:02 AM

Thats probably my thought, that the ground beef didnt agree with her, shes still got the runs today. I ended up taking her out super early so she could relieve herself, and then put her back in the crate. Didnt want her to soil up the crate, she looked absolutely miserable yesterday, not to mention the mess she made!

Xerxes

Posted : 7/23/2006 11:37:23 AM

ORIGINAL: jessies_mom

I hope the poor thing gets better soon; until she gets over the diarrhea it would be a good idea to feed her a bland diet like boiled chicken or boiled hamburger and rice. If you fed her raw ground beef it is possible that she got some e-coli from it.

Unless I'm mistaken, the e-coli bacterium in raw beef does not have the same effect upon dogs as it does in humans.

Xerxes

Posted : 7/23/2006 11:39:24 AM

I'm sorry Lizzie isn't feeling too well. I know that your food choices are limited, could you try adding a little bit of boiled rice to the kibble? Or reduce the amount of food just a bit. I know that if X eats too much too fast he'll end up with the runs or very soft stools.

jessies_mom

Posted : 7/23/2006 8:58:56 PM

Unless I'm mistaken, the e-coli bacterium in raw beef does not have the same effect upon dogs as it does in humans.

[linkhttp://www.cvm.uiuc.edu/petcolumns/showarticle.cfm?id=110]http://www.cvm.uiuc.edu/petcolumns/showarticle.cfm?id=110[/link]

Veterinarians may suggest motility modifiers (drugs that can increase or decrease movement
of food through the intestines) to help control the diarrhea for 24 to 48 hours until diagnoses
can be made. Motility modifiers should not be used long term. "For example, if your pet has E. coli-induced diarrhea, motility modifiers will retain the toxin that E. coli secretes and may cause life-threatening distention of the bowel," explains Dr. Hassan.

So E. coli does cause diarrhea in dogs, but you may be right about the strain of E. coli in raw beef.However, in the book, " The Allergy Solution for Dogs", when discussing diet, Dr. Messonier recommends to cook ground meat to avoid the possibility of infection from E. coli.

Julitza

Posted : 7/24/2006 6:21:42 AM

Liz is doing a little better. Yesterday she only pooped twice the first was semi firm and the other was pure water but after I gave her the pumkin (again) with her kibble she didnt go out again, so I guess no poop is good poop with her!

jessies_mom

Posted : 7/24/2006 8:18:22 AM

It sounds like she's getting better; I hope the Exclusive isn't the cause. By the way, your baby is precious.

mudpuppy

Posted : 7/24/2006 8:39:28 AM

So E. coli does cause diarrhea in dogs, but you may be right about the strain of E. coli in raw beef.However, in the book, " The Allergy Solution for Dogs", when discussing diet, Dr. Messonier recommends to cook ground meat to avoid the possibility of infection from E. coli.

many people routinely feed raw ground meat to dogs and the dogs never have any problems. Actually, most humans can eat raw ground meat without any problems either-- only in rare cases, usually people with some underlying health problem, does illness occur. Suspect is the same with dogs.

papillon806

Posted : 7/24/2006 9:11:16 AM

If it is still runny, I would give her 1 human immodium (per 50lbs of body weight--so less if neccessary) every 12 hours for two days to see if that clears things up.