Prey to Sexual arousal

 Its not funny and whats the point of this thread?

 It's a spin-off.

Hello MilkyWay, nice to see you :-)

 A spin-off of what?

Two things:  1) To me it is not the humping that is a problem but the fact that the dog is not taking the attack seriously.  Not sure if that's the training, or the dog or both.  Can't judge based on a few seconds of shoddy video footage.  2) I thought it was generally accepting that humping is not purely sexual arousal?  Several of my dogs/dogs I've helped raised have been major humpers as puppies but have outgrown it.  So if humping is a sure sign of sexual arousal why would an 8 week old puppy hump but not a 2-3 year old intact male?

Thanks for the laugh!  Decoy got owned in more ways than one.

 How did you like those Russian style suits? How could a dog take that seriously

 Yeah that was good enough for its own laugh!  Looked like a little kid trying to make it to the potty on time.

Just as an FYI, probably about 90% of humping interactions are not sexual in nature. A lot of humping from dogs comes from anxiety, frustration, and in situations when the dog isn't sure what it should do. It becomes a displacement behaviour in situations where the dog is highly excited/stimulated, and the dog expresses anxiety or frustration through humping.

TheMilkyWay

For those that are offended easily, the video shows a dog in agitation against a helper. The helper runs and the dog is released.  The dog initially bites but then falls to the ground upon which the dog starts humping the decoy.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asGsJvbGxRo

 While this is funny, it is not all that uncommon.As arousal is generalized in the brain.

Impact of generalized brain arousal on sexual behavior.

 Affective consciousness in animals: perspectives on dimensional and primary process emotion approaches

 

As a side note, my apologies for the post that caused the locking of the Sagan thread.

I think Kim's explanation fits that dog perfectly.   Any one of a number of factors might have caused that, but I hope the dog is off to a career he likes better;-))

BTW, as to the red ink on the Sagan thread, you were way more benign than what used to happen around here when we had a CM section.  Trust me.  I'm sure you will re-form your attraction soon and have better energy;-)))

TheMilkyWay

For those that are offended easily, the video shows a dog in agitation against a helper. The helper runs and the dog is released.  The dog initially bites but then falls to the ground upon which the dog starts humping the decoy.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asGsJvbGxRo

 While this is funny, it is not all that uncommon.As arousal is generalized in the brain.

Impact of generalized brain arousal on sexual behavior.

 Affective consciousness in animals: perspectives on dimensional and primary process emotion approaches

Hi

I found these interesting and illuminating. One of the battles with dealing with animal behaviour is that it takes a lot of "energy" to sort the real stuff from the nongs. I have never seen you as a nong :)

"As a side note, my apologies for the post that caused the locking of the Sagan thread."

One of the scientific mysteries is why BS always baffles brains, and acolytes of quite ridiculous ideas and positions will never ever be convinced by the truth no matter how stated.... I have always enjoyed your directness and contribution to debates, and have learned a bit from them, particually when you have pointed out salient facts that i may have missed.

I think a spell in the naughty chair is meant to be like a doggy time out...

Liesje

) I thought it was generally accepting that humping is not purely sexual arousal?  Several of my dogs/dogs I've helped raised have been major humpers as puppies but have outgrown it.  So if humping is a sure sign of sexual arousal why would an 8 week old puppy hump but not a 2-3 year old intact male?

My Lab Cadbury was a humper extraordiniare. He used to hump other dogs faces. If they got upset about it he would stop. If they didn't he would stop to, i think he kind of thought they weren't up to much :)

As a seven month old puppy, he went to a dog school, and enjoyed it very much. Hr dragged my rather petite wife to the instructors GSD which was in a down stay and face humped it. 

The instructor was less than amused and decided to give Cadbury a lesson. The first correction was pretty fierce and Cadbury barely noticed. The next didn't happen as Cadbury grabbed the instructor's arm, rather gently i thought. Certainly didn't break skin. He got expelled and i got motivated to show what a great dog he was. What i have learn't since is that instructor's like that aren't worth the air that they breathe.

 MilkyWay can you clarify the thread title?  Are you saying that dogs will fall "prey" to sexual arousal, or transitioning from prey drive to sexual arousal? (as opposed from natural drive switches in protection - prey, fight, defense, etc)

 I think this video is that of a young inexperienced dog. I make that assumption because a well trained adult dog, no longer requires a 'escape' scenario to pursue and bite. In an adult dog, I would be training control or other more complex exercises. So, I disagree with others that we should give up on this dog. It requires more structure, systematic training.

Arousal is localized in the brain, and this feeling is essentially the same whether the dog is in play, prey or sexual "drive" (.e.g. which explains angry sex in humans is a good example)   as such with dogs that transition from one behavior to another

I don't think the humping is necessarily sexual in nature, but rather a 'fixed action pattern' (hate the term) gone awry. A 'crossed wire' in that evokes this behavior where predatory response was sought.    This dog should probably not be worked until it is old enough to deal with a truly threatening decoy as not to evoke predatory arousal but more of a defensive posture.

TheMilkyWay

This dog should probably not be worked until it is old enough to deal with a truly threatening decoy as not to evoke predatory arousal but more of a defensive posture.

Agreed.  The helperwork in that video was as hilarious as the dog humping the helper.

  Good article about mounting behavior: http://www.dogsincanada.com/oh-behave-love-and-mounting