Dakota has clostridium infection - UPDATE: FINAL RESULTS IS HOOKWORM!!

    • Gold Top Dog

    Update: Got the remaining results of the fecal sample....Dakota has hookworm.

    We do live in the toolies, so this does not totally surprize me. However dogs ARE on yearly Interceptor, which the vet said that helps prevent it dramatically, but is not a cure all.

    All dogs will be on Panacur tomorrow for a few days.

    Could the hookworms be the cause of the Clostridium infection???

    Dakota is improving dramatically on the antibiotic for the infection, but he will also start on Panacur.

    • Gold Top Dog

     Yes, hookworm compromises the immune system because the colon, where they hang out, is the first line of defense. Hookworms actually damage the colon walls and make it less able to defend itself from attack from other bugs. And, as I said, any inflammation can create a chain reaction whereby the dog is open to any opportunistic bugs. Hooks are really nasty, so you should see excellent results with the wormer.

    If I were caring for Dakota, I'd look into a diet that didn't challenge his gi and also nutritional support for his immune system. Callie can point you in the right direction there. I'm still of the opinion that you are dealing with a dog with lowered immunity. Being susceptible to parasitic infection is another sign of this - wormers work by taking care of most of the population of parasites. Then the dog's immune system can take care of the rest, generally. 

    Probiotics are an important first step, so don't give up on that idea. Also, again, cooked food rather than raw is something I always suggest for dogs with a history of inflammatory incidents. Certainly for at least a few months - his bowels will need the time to heal. Then check with Callie for more suggestions on immune system support and foods that are at least inflammatory-neutral.

     Good luck!! :)
     

    • Gold Top Dog

    Yeah to everything Becca said -- it's not that it "causes" the other problems, it's simply that it sets the body up to be receptive to anything and everyting.

    I would definitely cook this dog's food (probably even the veggies) simply because a dog that is immune-compromised just can't fight off the normal stuff. 

    Now yeah, raw is supposed to help maximize the immune system BUT only if the dog can BE normal.  Let me know if I can help further.

    • Gold Top Dog

    Normal??....hehehehe...what's normal!

    Nothing like this all hitting at once. Dakota gets sick, then we discover he has worms, and now my big guy split his paw open on a loose nail on the deck and can barely put weight on that foot..poor guy!

    All dogs have been started on a probiotic as of tonight, the de-worming, with Panacur, IIRC, starts tomorrow. Dakota still has 5 days or so of the flagyl RX; otherwise he's been eating cooked chicken mixed with some HK veggie slop that I still have....big improvement already. He's back to his bouncy self.

     

    • Puppy
    I am very happy that I found this topic. First of all, I hope your dog has recovered successfully and will be clostridium-free from now on. My at the time 1.5 y/r wire fox terrier was diagnosed with a clostridium overgrowth back at the end of May of this year. I took him to the vet after he pooped nasty, black diarrhea during the night for two straight nights with diarrhea overall lasting for 3-4 days. He was put on flagyl for 7 days and it seemed to have cleared things up. At the end of August he had his shots done and really didn't react well to lime and was depressed and down for good 24 hrs, though seemed to have recovered fully after that. What I have noticed him do for the first time, however, is a lip-smacking sound. Especially at night. I didn't give it much thought, although did make a note yet again, that this is something new and never happened before. Few weeks later he continued doing that more often, especially at night. And seemed uncomfortable, trying to find a better place to sleep, roaming around, drinking a lot at night as well. What resulted in a second vet to the visit is a hiccup/grasping for air/trying to vomit-like motion which he was exhibiting, while being very playful. It's as if he was burping and hiccuping at the same time, you could see his stomach spasming. At the vet he was checked out, all was well (and in retrospect I'm very angry with myself for not telling them to check him for clostridium, instead of doing the stupid xrays every time) and I was told that this is most likely esophagitis (acid reflux) and he was put on sulcrafate for 2 weeks x3 daily + Pepcid AC x2 daily. That seemed to have taken care of the problem somewhat, but after about 3 weeks lip-smacking at night came back with a vengeance and I came home early in the evening to find that he'd thrown up all of his chicken and rice undigested. The following morning the black, nauseatingly smelly diarrhea reappeared along with throwing up of yellow bile (which usually happens when his stomach is empty). Back to the vet we went. Xrays (although we were there less than a month ago, but I guess it's the procedure), injection of fluids b/c he was dehydrated and prescription for flagyl (metronedizole) for 10 days this time. We came home, more diarrhea and throwing up with yellow bile followed. For the first time since I got my baby as a 3 months old puppy I got to experience him looking depressed and lethargic. As of Friday we're on the antibiotics and there's been no vomiting since, stool is getting better, but I'm only feeding him very liquidy oatmeal and white rice so far. He hasn't had any appetite or desire for water (had to inject fluids 3 times + I'm syringing him fluids throughout the day) since Friday. BUT, he has been much livelier and happier and today started exhibiting a desire to eat. I think we'll be ok, but: The reason for such a long write up is the following .... I STRONGLY believe that an overgrowth of clostridium happens when the immune system is weak. And I think this is directly related to the shots, which lower the immune system, hence the bad reaction. I also think that when clostridium is present there's always another problem co-habitating with this one. In Dakota's case it was the worms that were compromising her immune system. Right now I am still waiting for all of the blood work/fecal results to come in to rule out worms, giardia, pancreatitis, etc. I will keep everyone posted, and thanks to the OP for sharing your experience with this.
    • Puppy
    And one more thing. What type of probiotics is everyone using (I'm hoping for recommendations other than FortiFlora?) and has anyone heard of/used Gastriplex?