Need advice on training not to jump

ORIGINAL: espencer

Actually stepping on the leash while jumping would be a "leash popping", the power the dog has while jumping is much more than the one made by a human and i thought some people around here were against that kind of  "correction", very interesting

Normally I am, but with jumping up, it is a difficult behavior to correct, and not everyone can apply the principles of this training so well as mystrydream seems to have done.  I am not so opposed to a "correction" that is not associated with the human, and which does not involve an action that will hurt the small bones in a dog's neck.  When you step on the leash, it is done at the place where the leash touches the ground when the dog is standing, so when he jumps up, he is stopped by the collar at the top of his neck, not on his larynx as with a traditional "leash pop".  He also does not associate the correction with the human.  He has simply run out of room.  I do not employ that technique with dogs whose families are all on the same page about ignoring the bad behavior, but when there are family members who are not, or cannot be, on board (elders in danger of being knocked down, toddlers, etc.) then it is better to have this approach than to have a situation where a dog could be given up because he's gotten to be 60 pounds and is knocking people over. 
You are incorrect to assume that I don't occasionally use tools that might be deemed corrective, but I apply them humanely as I can, and try never to have dogs think that humans are unpredictable or aggressive.   Perhaps instead of trying to be snide or play "gotcha" you should simply ask if there's anything you don't understand about how I, or any other member, approaches a training technique.

Everytime he jumps say DOWN and push him down. When he stays down for 10 seconds, give him a treat. Keep doing this until he gets the idea.

 I disagree with this completely. Pushing your dog into a down is not a very smart thing to do. You can teach your dog "down" without putting your hands on him. Pushing a dog into the down position can be potentially dangerous especially if a dog is dominant or aggressive in any way. Also, if you push on or near a dog's spine, you could injure him and if the dog is experiencing any pain in it's back, hips or hind quarters, the dog is likely to bite. 

There seems to be a lot of disagreements in this forum almost to the point of bickering back and forth. I know that I have been 'slammed' for my training methods and I really don't feel it's necessary. Every person has their own way of training and to try to 'correct' another trainer's methods here is futile.We can all agree to disagrree and leave it at that. There are some people on here who seem to thrive on bashing the techniques of others and I say you are wasting your time. If you go to almost any type of forum you will find these same type of people who post things like, Chevy trucks are better than Fords, Macs are better than PC's, Whirlpool is better than Maytag, etc. They will argue back and forth constantly.This forum is no exception. I say we stop this school yard bickering and just offer training tips to those who ask.

ORIGINAL: espencer

"leash popping", "simply out or room", "human correction", "self correction", it does not matter, nobody answered my question:

The feeling (the dog has) in his neck at that moment of jumping and the feeling that he has when the human does it is the same, yes or no?????

Some would say "no".  If you think about taking pressure to your adam's apple, or taking pressure to the back of your neck, not exactly the same feeling. 
I sense a real desire to have your "gotcha" moment here, espencer.  But, I have never said that I don't occasionally use a corrective technique.  But, you are so busy trying to brand me as some kind of positive permissive idiot that you don't pay attention to what I really say.  In  fact, I do not use the leash-stepping on most dogs, I use the ignoring.  But, if someone needs to have this happen more quickly, say because they have an elderly relative in the home, or they seem to be getting fed up with ignoring (usually because someone in the family is accidentally reinforcing the dog for jumping by pushing it away, or saying "off"), then I might use this technique, since it does not give the dog the "picture" (dogs seem to learn in pictures) of the human doing the correcting.  I have a feeling that whatever I say won't satisfy you, but the explanation is for the lurkers and members who do want to understand that subtle difference, not especially for you.

ORIGINAL: ldyharley

There seems to be a lot of disagreements in this forum almost to the point of bickering back and forth. I know that I have been 'slammed' for my training methods and I really don't feel it's necessary. Every person has their own way of training and to try to 'correct' another trainer's methods here is futile.We can all agree to disagrree and leave it at that. There are some people on here who seem to thrive on bashing the techniques of others and I say you are wasting your time. If you go to almost any type of forum you will find these same type of people who post things like, Chevy trucks are better than Fords, Macs are better than PC's, Whirlpool is better than Maytag, etc. They will argue back and forth constantly.This forum is no exception. I say we stop this school yard bickering and just offer training tips to those who ask.

Had Fords, had GMC's and Chevy's - Ford has a better heater/AC.
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ORIGINAL: espencer

"leash popping", "simply out or room", "human correction", "self correction", it does not matter, nobody answered my question:

The feeling (the dog has) in his neck at that moment of jumping and the feeling that he has when the human does it is the same, yes or no?????

Not at all.  The feeling from a "leash pop" is coming from the side.  The self correction is coming from above.

Does it feel the same when one of your buddies punches you in the shoulder as it does when they punch you in the back of the head?

ORIGINAL: ldyharley

There seems to be a lot of disagreements in this forum almost to the point of bickering back and forth. I know that I have been 'slammed' for my training methods and I really don't feel it's necessary. Every person has their own way of training and to try to 'correct' another trainer's methods here is futile.We can all agree to disagrree and leave it at that. There are some people on here who seem to thrive on bashing the techniques of others and I say you are wasting your time. If you go to almost any type of forum you will find these same type of people who post things like, Chevy trucks are better than Fords, Macs are better than PC's, Whirlpool is better than Maytag, etc. They will argue back and forth constantly.This forum is no exception. I say we stop this school yard bickering and just offer training tips to those who ask.

 
You are so right on this one, but its a bit different here because I really do think people have a valid reason to feel passionate about what they are discussing.  If you suggesting X technique and I felt when I read it it could cause harm to the dog or risk to the owner or anyone else, I'd post and say so..... What a lot  of people don't get here is that criticising a technique, or bringing in a new perspective of it is not "slamming" it and it's certainly not slamming the person using it either.  The bickering and so on does go on but it needn't if folks bear these things in mind.... There are exceptions, but most of the time no one intends to "slam" or "bash" anyone and there is no need to be defensive... we are all one the same page.  We want what is best for the dog or we wouldn't be here.

quoteRIGINAL: ldyharley There seems to be a lot of disagreements in this forum almost to the point of bickering back and forth. I know that I have been 'slammed' for my training methods and I really don't feel it's necessary. Every person has their own way of training and to try to 'correct' another trainer's methods here is futile.We can all agree to disagrree and leave it at that. There are some people on here who seem to thrive on bashing the techniques of others and I say you are wasting your time. If you go to almost any type of forum you will find these same type of people who post things like, Chevy trucks are better than Fords, Macs are better than PC's, Whirlpool is better than Maytag, etc. They will argue back and forth constantly.This forum is no exception. I say we stop this school yard bickering and just offer training tips to those who ask. Had Fords, had GMC's and Chevy's - Ford has a better heater/AC. Sorry.

I like Toyotas and Nissans, myself.

Ldyharley, I think it's OK to politely disagree with someone's approach--it's how we all learn. I think that's really different from "bashing" or attacking someone.

If we all agreed with one another, this forum would get really boring, wouldn't it? But I agree with you that better manners are called for.