Real hunt work

 You know which has been my favorite working dog Ive had so far? Bug, She was bred for laps and did her job well, pom/pappy mix and was told minpin too but didnt see much besides the coloring.

There are quite a few pappys on here, Does anyone have a mainly black? If so please post a pic in the photo section, I miss my girl.

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Whats the difference between SAR and shutzhund? I like malinois drive, I have only seen them in flyball but wow are they intense, a good intense tho.

SAR is Search and Rescue, totally different.  Very, very few people do both, mainly because some states or SAR groups prohibit dogs with bitework training, but also because both require a very serious commitment from the handler and dog.  I personally would not do both at the same time with one dog, to me that's too much to ask of a dog at once and I don't know any human who can make the necessary commitments to both.

Yes depending on which group you work with, most do not like to have the liability of a dog that may bite. We have a very slim group in TN. There are a few people in Nashville who work SAR, and Tn Task Force One in memphis that I am now working with. I am in such a rural area there just isn't a near by anything.

There was a 2 year old girl missing for over 24 hours here, a few years ago. The weather was going to get bad, and every one and their cousin searched for her. They finally found her, she stayed out overnight in a bad storm. No dogs were even called in. Too few groups, and not all on good terms with law enforcement. Sad.

So with me being a paramedic, my husband is police officer, I have had malinois for years, so I figured no better opportunity. We found a great bred working pup, Greta, who is awesome. She has the most amazing drive and is so intense, its almost a pain at times, as she wants to trail constantly!

Oh and yes that coon hound can sing! LOL, luckily we have no close neighbors. I love Maddie, though I am just not a hound person.

To give some more background, SAR work has different dog specialties, such as trailing dogs (different than tracking btw), air scent, disaster, cadaver, etc. Scent specific trailing dogs are trained to sniff an "article" (something the person wore or touched) and rule out all other scents to only follow the particular persons scent. They work on lead.

Air scent dogs usually work off leash and are not scent specific. They are trained to cover a lot of ground, recognize any human scent (alive or recently dead) and follow it to its source, then come back to tell its handler and lead the handler to the person.

Disaster dogs are trained to recognize any LIVE human scent follow it to its source and indicate (usually a bark or a sit or a touch, etc). They ignore dead human scent.

Cadaver dogs are trained to locate human remains, they are trained on bone, teeth, hair, blood, and decomposition material. They can find a source under water, under ground, etc. and it can be old - like hundreds of years old.

Lies-Thanks for the clairification and understanding my thread, not being rude and giving me information and a look into what you do. Im excited to watch Pan grown and I think its time for a photobucket so you can see my new boy as well.

Jewlieee- Sounds like you enjoy what you do and are very knowledgeable about it. I know what search and rescue is in general I dont know why it didnt reagister when I saw SAR. You guys obviously practice but do you condition them too? I must have my dogs ready to run miles and muscle built up. Some of those searchs must get strenuous right?

Juliemule- Any luck with the agility?  Did you travel to get Greta and how is she in the house? Did she bond to one person? My working dogs are very intense and it seems to follow threw in our bond. They are very attched to me and work best under my direction. Same with your girl? or can she be switched between people to work?

Haha sorry Im full of questions!!!

Greta is doing awesome on trailing. She will air scent, we are working on rubble training, and she does cadaver work as well. She has different commands for each, and we only use the harness for trailing. She is 5 months old and will work a track as good as the older dogs. We are getting up to old tracks now, she finished a successful day old trail. I am so proud!

She will not work for anyone else, we tried that with my husband, but they were both frustrated, so she stays with me now. She is very good inside, only a little chewing on the coffee table lol. This is good considering she does not stay in a crate, and the breed is known as 'maligators'! Oh and she did eat part of a Dr Pepper can. Oops. We bought her from one of the officers I have known for years, about an hour away. He searched for years to get the right cross, and these dogs are just awesome.

Sounds like you two make a great team

My dogs want to only work for me and my aunts BCs dont do thier best with other people directing them. I wonder if alot of working dogs tend to do best with thier person and refuse or work poorly with other people. I know of a small number of terriers who will work for anyone but thats it so far.

I am planning on training my new golden pup, and we are training our young lab in field work. My husband may take Quinn out next year pheasant hunting once she understands upland hunting. She LOVES ducks. However we don't. I plan to do AKC and UKC hunt tests with them. For me personally I want to run Gabby in UKC Started, and AKC Junior Hunter, beyond that I will turn her over to the hubby. I might be ok with AKC Senior Hunter tests. I don't do guns, I don't like them and I don't want to touch one. UKC requires handlers holding guns, and the dogs mark off the barrel past Started. AKC does not require gun handling. However I LOVE working my dogs. Watching a field dog do what it is bred to do is an amazing thing. 

The breeder I got Gabby from has a full sister from the previous litter, and was encouraged to run derbies with her. However timing didn't work. It would have to be now, Bang will be 2 in March, and that is too old. Field trials are extreme hunt tests. The bird marks are 300 yards and up. Most hunt tests are under 100 yards, but over difficult terrain, and deep cover, water etc. Hunt tests will have "fliers" where a live bird is shot,  I think (I could be wrong) field trials use either dead birds OR Dokken Dead Fowl trainers. I think they lean toward fake birds. Or maybe that is just Super Retriever Series because of television.

Hunt tests are very challenging. It is a team sport, the dog and handler MUST work together. I am not too fond of dead birds but I can get over that for my dogs fun. Dogs LOVE it. 

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I think (I could be wrong) field trials use either dead birds OR Dokken Dead Fowl trainers. I think they lean toward fake birds. Or maybe that is just Super Retriever Series because of television.

AKC Field Trials use real birds, same as in Hunt Tests except there are usually more live fliers shot but real birds are used in all test levels in Field Trials.  I think you may be right about them using fake birds for the Super Retriever Series but I don't really know that for a fact. 

 Field trials are WAY out of my league LOL but I know there was a discussion on my retriever training board, and I think they were saying televised SRS events do use fake ducks. They don't want all the people jumping on them. I don't know, I just cursory read the FT conversations since I won't get to that level. I would love to go watch though.

Just need to get Gabby retrieving..... She will if it has feathers, but bring it back? I don't think so..... MINE!!!! LOL

Good luck with your bird dogs!

 Does your goldens style of hunting differ from your labs? My minpin and my terrier work differently.

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 Does your goldens style of hunting differ from your labs? My minpin and my terrier work differently.

I would assume so but I don't really know. I am super new at this and my lab is just a year, my golden 9 weeks. I will be finding out. 

I do know it depends on the golden. Some are more methodical, however I have seen some OBSESSIVE goldens too. I am hoping my golden is a bit on the obsessive side. My lab was a retrieving fool the day we brought her home, my golden I have to work with a bit. I just love both breeds so much. Good training challenges. 

Im considered new at my hunting too, started in 05 with my pinscher but became more serious in 07. Its really fun and good luck with your retrievers!

Theres so much to learn and the dogs impress you every time you go out, I am on this forum and a terrier forum. I get info from both but the terrier site has more people into hunting and more knowledge on my type of hunting, I was hoping to find others on here but so far I only found different types and more competion type than actual field work but still interesting.

My pinscher is quick and is more methodical like the goldens while my terrier is rush in and powerful but both do thier jobs well.

Good luck and learn as much as you can! Its such a fun community that comes along with hunting, I found others on my terrier board who even offered to go out with me and my fiance to help us learn more. Thanks for answering my question