calliecritturs
Posted : 8/7/2009 3:03:42 PM
It's NOT just cancer -- it's all auto-immune things and seizure stuff that are ALSO affected strongly by chemicals -- pesticides in particular.
And I don't think the op is suggesting "chemicals are the cause of all cancer" -- I think it was just an attempt to get people to think and dialogue about it -- which is a GOOD thing.
The more I speak to folks who have dogs with IMHA -- one of the common elements is "toxins" -- and nearly everyone shrugs and feels that the whole realm of chemicals they use is nearly too diverse to even track. Not to mention the pesticides that cities/towns spray to keep down mosquitos, ect.
I honestly think just a little common sense points the way here -- in the last 25 years diseases like cancer in dogs (and even in humans) are so incredibly widespread -- and so has the canine consumption of chemicals (whether it's the BHA, BHT or ethoxyquin in many kibbles to pesticides they are exposed to and chemicals used in and around the house). Diseases like IMHA were literally unknown even 10 - 15 years ago.
Everybody wants a "study" -- WHY? How many years and how many captive groups of dogs have to be "tested" to bring a conclusion that is, quite honestly, simple logic. We often forget they walk "barefoot" over everything --
Simple question -- if you bombed your house for fleas so that every surface of every dish was exposed to that coating of pesticide fog -- would YOU not bother to wash that plate just because "It's been a week since we fogged"??? No -- you'd probably rinse everything off at least, right? (Or not want to USE a fogger in the first place **because** you didn't want "all that junk" thru your house??).
And yet -- we expect the dogs to walk on lawns treated wth all these chemicals -- after rain and dew have perhaps newly released the chemical? And then how much of all that winds up in their mouths?
Sometimes I think we do ourselves a vast disservice demanding "studies" -- when pure reason and logic might dictate that such exposure or consumption (accidental or otherwise) just plain may not be a good or healthy thing.
How many years do people want to blissfully go forward "ignoring" a thing just because no "study" has been done -- and why would a big $$ company WANT to support a study when that might bring them negative publicity and/or cost them profits and revenue??? so we'd then have to wait for lawsuits or private individuals to DO such studies?? But why is it logical to ignore such logic just because no study can "prove" what might honestly be logically questionable?
You will find the folks who are a bit more prone to support or accept this type of logic or rhetoric are people who have experienced stuff like IMHA, pancytopenia, thrombocytopenia, or have lost more than one dog (or loved one) to cancer.
I'll be honest -- maybe my thinking on such things IS skewed by my own history -- not only do I have a dog who survived (at great cost) IMHA. But I grew up in western NY state -- does anyone remember the phrase "The Love Canal"??? Where entire neighborhoods of people had this HUGE mortality rate due to toxic waste dumped (in what was originally an "ok" manner) -- and it laid waste to the entire economy of the area eventually aside from causing the premature deaths of an unbelievable number of people to cancer (and I think that was the only disease actually 'tracked';).
But I remember only too well how long people screamed and pled for 'studies' and for someone to simply look at the statistics of such unbelievable mortality in what was a relatively small geographical area before anything was done about it.
Yes, it's 'all cleaned up now' but the Buffalo area will never be the on the sound financial footing it used to be -- there are still areas up there where no one wants to live.
My point is ... I learned from a young age not to simply sit and wait for such to strike. That maybe looking at trends logically bears watching for all such stuff.
I'm not suggesting a "ban" or a "law" -- just mere common sense and awareness.