Vaccine Chat with My Vet

    • Gold Top Dog

    Vaccine Chat with My Vet

     Back when I had Woobie's titers done, I spoke with an associate vet at the practice I've been with for almost 15 years. It didn't go well and in general left a bad taste in my mouth. I've since been scheduling with the owner of the practice who I love more than life and who has treated me and my dogs really well. Indie was due for distemper, etc. so I brought up the subject again and mentioned the AAHA guidelines, DOI studies, etc. He was much more calm, level-headed and open minded than his young associate who pronounced that I "could do what I wanted, but if your dog gets sick, I can't help you". He explained that he had read the 3 year recommendations and believes vet medicine will adopt those guidelines eventually, but the problem for practitioners like himself is that the vaccine manufacturers label them for annual use and only insure them for annual use. That leaves a vet like him out in the cold legally if he recommends to a patient that they only vaccinate once every 3 years and the dog gets sick or dies. Even if he recommended titers, that still wouldn't cover him legally if an owner wanted to sue because their dog got sick and he'd provided some indication or assurance that the dog was covered against illness X because of titer results or DOI studies that indicate tri-annual vaccinations would be sufficient.

    Once again, the litigious nature of our society and the money grubbing drug companies deprives well-meaning owners of information that might allow them to make informed decisions about their pets' healthcare.

    BTW, Indie got titers only, no shots.  Smile

    • Gold Top Dog

    I would be 1000000% cool with the vet being out of the legal loop as long as he did NOT use any product made by Fort Dodge.    Most vaccine manufacturers are wonderful...they have strict sales and return policies. But I KNOW that Ft Dodge settles out of court when sues with a gag order to the winner.... My step daughter was one , she recovered several thousand dollars when a Fort Doge vaccine killed her healthy 2.5 year old rr... I have documenttation of others who lost a dog or a LITTER to Fort Dodge negligence and they settled.... they can not speak after the fact but we were talking right up until they signed the gag order and got a check!! MY health certs and gaurantees are null and void if they use this company !

    Bonita of Bwana

    • Gold Top Dog

    Big Smile   He uses Pfizer apparently.  When I asked if they could get 3 year vaccines back when the situation with Woobie occurred, they said they'd have to charge me for the whole tray because most owners vaccinate yearly.  It's a chicken/egg issue I'm sure.  They vaccinate yearly because that's what he stocks and he hasn't moved to the 3 year schedule yet.  I know they worry that going every 3 years will mean they only see the pet every 3 years, most owners won't come in just for a health check and there's a chance something could develop in 3 years that would be caught at the yearly visits.  I appreciate that it must be a tough issue for vets to make a decision on.  I've made my decision as an owner and I was glad he gave me a much better response to doing titers than his associate did.  I nearly left the practice because of his associate's attitude and behavior, but chose to return to scheduling with him instead.

    • Gold Top Dog

    I found this article online--I wanted to point out #2 to you specifically.  I'm not saying your vet is wrong and this is right.  But, thought someone might want to look into it further. 

    http://www.puliclub.org/CHF/AKC2007Conf/What%20Everyone%20Needs%20to%20Know%20About%20Canine%20Vaccines.htm

    • Gold Top Dog

     It's not the AVMA coverage he was worried about it was using a vaccine off-label when it's labeled as a 1 year vaccine and telling owners it's okay to go 3 years before re-vaccinating.  I know there are 3 year vaccines available, but like I said, his concern is the owner not coming in for yearly health checks and something going 3 years w/o being detected.  There's a money issue too, I'm not blind to that.  There's more money in it for him if he vaccinates yearly.  And it's a money issue for owners as well, especially in these tight times.  If a vaccine costs less than a titer test, most would just go with the vaccine, particularly if their dog has never had a reaction.  Owners with dogs who've had reactions tend to be much more educated. 

    I did look at the AVMA recommendations on their website and there are no numbers given as far as how many years, I think that leaves their vets in a void as far as making recommendations and educating their owners.