Valley Fever??????

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    Valley Fever??????

    Abbie has had this spot on her back, between her shoulder blades,for several months now, which I thought was a possible reaction to Frontline, then I thought it might be a botfly (does anyone remember that thread here??) and after the botfly was ruled out, went back to thinking it was a reaction to Frontline. **I did not apply Frontline at the beginning of August and was searching for an alternative flea preventative. The spot is about the size of a quarter, black and white in color and crusty with a thickening of the skin beneath and surrounding the lesion and hair loss. Well.......about a week and a half ago I noticed that it has spread and there is another spot, the same size and hair loss, with a spackling of tiny black dots. I took her to the vet and he said she has a fungus. (He did not do a skin scrape, just looked at the area under a special light with the room light off). I asked where she could have gotten it and he said "the dirt." It made sense to me as she is always digging and rolling around. I didn't question it. He gave her an injection and some Animax topical ointment to be applied daily. *Layla does not have it and he said it's not contagious.

    Here's the thing......... and I feel like such a bad mom right now, firstly because I didn't seek care sooner and I failed to mention to the vet that she has not really been herself for a while now. She hides under the bed a lot, which is not like her at all, she stopped eating breakfast and she's been lethargic (when she's not under the bed). I have also discovered a small hard lump, about the size of a pea under her skin along her spine, down near her hind leg. It is not discolored and does not appear to bother her to the touch, etc.

    Tonight I noticed that she was slightly limping with her right hind leg. I've been at my wits end trying to figure out what all of this could be.....maybe Lyme disease???? Then tonight I was talking with a friend of mine and she started talking about something that the vet thought her dog had when she was a puppy and mentioned Valley Fever and that it's a fungus that comes from the dirt!!! Well, let me tell you........I literally saw the lightbulb go off....... I grabbed my laptop and over the phone she and I started researching it and Abbie has most of the symptoms. She just is not herself and I've been really worried about her. Everything I read says that this condition is primarily found in places like Arizona (where my friend lives), California....dry, arrid places.

    I am printing some info and taking it with us to the vet tomorrow. If this is what she has she needs treatment beyond an injection and ointment. Could Abbie have this?? Any thoughts or experience with this????

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    Valley Fever is an inhaled fungus..it generally affects lungs, joints, bones, etc.  I don't believe it causes any skin symptoms..at least none that I've ever heard of.

    I'd be concerned about ringworm, but since your vet said it wasn't a fungus that was contagious, I'd assume that's not it

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    Everything I've read says that Valley Fever comes from the dirt and it does cause skin lesions. ?????????
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    We had some dry weather thru June, but it's possible, but not likely.  That's not to say anything substantive -- but my concern would be that you're describing symptoms that could qualify under 100 other things -- lethargy would hugely concern me.

    The 'bump' could be the problem -- and the spot could be a 'red herring' (i.e., completely unrelated but something totally separate). 

    A fluorescent light is a pretty good indicator of a fungal thing -- and it SOUNDS like fungal by your description.  There are creams from the vet, or even using something as easy as a good grade of tea tree oil and massage it in once a day.  The other thing that is super good on spots like that is Thuja Oil (which you can find online -- it's another essential oil and superior for "abnormal skin";)

    But I wouldn't try to zero in on a specific disease.  It's worth a mention but let the vet see her with the simple description "She's just not acting her self -- she hides under the bed and she's lethargic for her -- and LOOK at  this bump?  Could it all be connected with something weird like Valley Fever or is it two separate things and the only connection is 'Thank goodness I brought her in for the weird spot because it made me ***notice*** that she's lethargic, hiding and has a bump!"

    The word "lethargy" should honestly strike fear into any sensible dog owner's heart -- it can be about the ONLY symptom you will get from something difficult to diagnose.  And sometimes we just have to thank our lucky stars that altho maybe our internet research didn't save the world, it DID make us get to the vet.

    You know I'm the first one to suggest an herbal or supplement or easy natural thing .. BUT, the two things you are saying that scare me are "lethargy" and "Hiding under the bed".  It either means she's hurt, or light hurts her eyes, or she's afraid of being stepped on and just wants to sleep forever to cope ... but they are scarey symptoms.

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     Valley fever is a lot like tick borne disease in that it has a "kitchen sink" array of symptoms.  You could convince yourself that literally any "off" behavior or oddball symptom might be a sign of one of these diseases.

    Valley fever causes skin lesions because it suppresses the immune system and leaves it open for opportunistic infections.  I had a dog that had chronic ehrlichiosis and the main symptom he showed, until he "crashed," was periodic skin infections in one place on his foot.  But just because your dog HAS a fungal skin infection doesn't automatically mean your dog has VF.  What your vet meant by the fungal infection coming from the dirt was, it didn't come from you, your other dog, a cat, or is airborne.  I just treated a few of my sheep for a fungus that comes from browsing in the woods.

    Valley fever is a very serious disease and it's actually pretty acute - I don't think your dog could have VF for months and months without your knowing about it.  Sometimes it happens that the dog becomes ill, is treated with a general antibiotic, and the disease goes subclinical, but a dog with subclinical VF is  still pretty sick.

    VF is a really common illness among working Border Collies and other stockdogs who do their work in the southwest, the high deserts in particular.  I've had several acquaintances who have lost dogs to it - it's very sad because it's a tough disease even when caught early.

    We in the southeast have our share of tick disease that they miss out on, but I hope VF doesn't move here too.  I don't think it can, however. 

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    We just got back from the vet and it's not VF, thankfully. He was glad brought her in. He said the small lump is probably from a sweat gland and nothing to worry about, just to keep an eye on it and if it continues to grow it can be removed down the road. He thinks her symptoms are behavioral. I am posting another thread regarding the medication he prescribed for her. Thanks guys!