BOILING MAD!!! (A Vent)

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    BOILING MAD!!! (A Vent)

         Ok. No. To say I'm boling mad would be a gross understatement. I am so completely & thoroughly PO'd I have to stop myself from, this very minute, going down to the E-Vets that BUTCHERED my dog and going postal on those incompitant @$$*****!!! The only thing holding me back is that it's after midnight here, and no other clients will be there to hear me give those stupid Vets a verbal beating.

    UGH. My girl looks like Jack the Ripper got a hold of her! To make a long story short, we took her downtown to Bergh Memorial animal hospital on 7/16 for a c-section. They were the closest 24hr Vet hospital and really the only place we had to turn. Bailey had been in hard labor for a little over an hour, and it was blatantly obvious that contractions had stopped, and there was a puppy stuck in the birth canal. Part of the sac was protruding from the vulva as well. She was obviously suffering. Was having trouble breathing and looked like she was going in and out of consciousness at one point. Now, for those that don't know, Bergh Memorial is the ASPCA's vet hospital. It's inside their adoptions building & is the vet clinic you see if you've ever watched that phony Animal Cops show (I say phony b/c I have3 reported obvious neglect to the ASPCA & it was blatantly ignored). With the donations that place revieves you'd think they had state of the art Vets & equipment. The place was a hole. My regular Vet has a nicer, more state of the art office.

    We were seen by that Dr Paiva (sp?) with the heavy accent. She informed me that they didn't do c-sections, as it was their "mission" to s/n. But she promised me they would do an x-ray, give her the Oxy shot, then refer me to a clinic that could do a c-section if the Oxy didn't work. TWO FRICKEN HOURS LATER, nothing had been done. NOTHING. Excuse after excuse. They had no available techs to do the x-ray, other dogs were using the x-ray .... until finally I just broke down and said if this dog has been suffering for two hours with a puppy stuck in her birth canal, just spay her. Do whatever it takes or I'm going to have dead pups & a dead momma. Within 5 minutes of me saying this, Bailey was x-rayed and given the Oxy shot. They were deliberately stalling so I'd agree to spay. That is my first gripe.

    I was not happy with the way I was treated when I went to pick her up however that is another story. I NEVER imagined the dog would not recieve good care in their hands. I figured at least she has her pups, and is not in pain. And honestly trusted them to care for her to the best of their ability. I should have known something was wrong when the Vet who did the spay called me & couldn't tell me wha sex the pups were b/c she couldn't sex pups ...

    Well, tonight, I went to take out the staples from the incision, because a few of them had fallen out over the past 24hrs anyway. Note: I've een cleaning the wound with soap/water daily. Checking that little puppy feet do not get acught in the staples. And when she ran out of Clavamox they sent her home with, I started her up on plain amoxicillin, just because the would still looked a little raw to me. Well, raw doesn't even begin to describe what I saw tonight!!! As I mentioned, a few stapled had fallen out so the incision was now much more noticable. I started plucking at a staple and got a huge clump of hair out in the tweezer! So I dug a bit further, and more hair - and even more. Half a dozen clumps and there is still more in there. This was packed in SHAVED hair, not hair that had been shed. Shaved clumps of hair embedded in the wound and underneath the staples. Good God, if you saw what I took out of her tonight :(  There is most likely hair inside her abdomen. I was so disgusted I called my regular Vet and have an appointment for him to take the staples out on Thursday, I just do not want to touch the incision & am afraid by what I might see underneath.

    This was the ASPCA Vets. If I had cut the dog open myself, I could have done a better job. This was a beautiful show bitch with so much potential that they spayed unnecessarialy (the pups were just oversized) and on top of that they butchered this poor thing. I have been to low cost clinics in the south Bronx and had Vets do meticulous spay jobs that you could barely see the incision when it healed. These are the types of Vets the ASPCA hires with all the $$$ they get:

     

    Ok. End or rant. Feel better now ...

     


     

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    I can not believe they put you through that! I'm PO'd with you on this one! That wound looks painful!  Believing in s/n is one thing but causing unnecessary pain and suffering just so you would agree to spay a show bitch is just plain cruel.  What if she had died?! What would they have done then?

    I am just beyond words.. Hugs to you and the new pups and I hope Mom recovers from this ordeal.   

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    Holy cow!  I wonder if a student did this?  I have seen better work from students, BTW.

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    oranges81

    I can not believe they put you through that! I'm PO'd with you on this one! That wound looks painful!  Believing in s/n is one thing but causing unnecessary pain and suffering just so you would agree to spay a show bitch is just plain cruel.  What if she had died?! What would they have done then?




         That's part of what gets me, too. I understand what their mission is. But they placed their mision over the welfare of the dog. When you're in the heat of the moment, and you think you're dog and her pups are going to die, you'll say or do anything. They KNEW that. Here I am thinking she's getting treatment, the x-ray and the Oxy shot they promised, when almost 1.5hrs later they call us back in and we find out nothign had been done. Then they gave us the run around with the referral to the other Vet clinic - the Vet dissapearred and never gave us the referral. So 30 min later I decided just spay, this has got to end :(  All that discoloration between her mammaries in the pic is the embedded hair. Thw ound could not have healed with the hair packed down there like that. I'm bracing myself for my Vet telling me they have to re open the incision to determine if any hair is inside her body. What kills me is for all they were jerks about the spaying thing, I honestly thought she was in good, competant hands ...
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    That is astoundingly frightening!!  You must be sick with anger and worry.  Here's healing vibes from AZ, and hope that your regular vet can clean up the mess and help your dog heal quickly and safely.  Poor dog!

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    Take pictures of everything - including the hair.  Take pictures as the vet cleans the incision. 

    I would file complaints with anyone I possibly could.  Bergh Memorial Animal Hospital is certified by the AAHA and the New York State Veterinary Medical Association.  The BBB is a possibility.

    The ASPCA should at least offer you a partial refund to cover your additional expenses.

    American Animal Hospital Association (AAHA)
    12575 W. Bayaud Ave.
    Lakewood, Colorado, USA 80228
    (303) 986-2800;   fax (303) 986-1700
    info@aahanet.org
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    http://www.healthypet.com/comments.aspx - complaints

    New York State Veterinary Medical Society/Association
    9 Highland Avenue, Albany, NY 12205
    (518) 437-0787;   (800) U-R NY-VMS (876-9867)
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    OK, let me ask a few questions to get my bearings on this.  Do they have to open up a dog that is pregnant more?  Because Willow had only a few inches of incision when she was first done--NO outside sutures let alone staples.  And, now you can't even tell she's been spayed, no scar. 

    I don't blame you for being mad.  What they heck went on in there??

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    i'm with janet (well, the other janet...)! file complaints. unbelievable!!!

    i hope your poor girl gets better better soon!

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    you should also write into your local newspaper about this, is there anyone at it that does "investigation" type things for people?  if so, contact them.   Also, maybe write itno that show and tell them just what they are giving money to, and how barbaric they actually are?

    But yes, document EVERYTHING.  if your vet bills are huge, take them to small claims!  Or even judge judy! (if she is real, i don't know or not) but she is a HUGE lover of dogs!!

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    This post literally turned my stomach. What incredible arrogance and hypocrisy. They have the surgical ability to spay, but they refuse to c-section a suffering dog because their mission is "s + n" ?? Their main website says "we work toward the day in which no animal will live in pain or fear." I guess it is okay for the animal to live in pain and fear if it suits their purposes.... 

    To deliberately allow an animal to suffer in order to use that suffering to compel the owner to spay is extortion of the lowest kind. It is cold-blooded animal cruelty and I think it should be prosectable.

    Their techs were unavailable? The xray machine was in use? I bet you can document what time you arrived, is there some way to force them to document the xray machine usage and locations of the techs?? I think heads would roll if you could prove they tortured your dog by witholding medical treatment to force you to agree to spay.

    I hope your girl is okay and suffers no additional complications. 

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     oh my gosh!! Im sick over this for you! I would be fuming too. Keep us posted on how she's doing.

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    you breed dogs but don't have a competent vet lined up to help when needed? that is utterly irresponsible.

    here is a pic of a c-section incision. Note it is a) very long, and b) immediately after the surgery so it will look much worse two days later.

    http://www.lbah.com/canine/csection.htm#sx

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    Thanks for listening to me blow off a bit of steam. Am actually relieved that it's not just me who saw how badly butchered Bailey was & that it wasn't just my imagination how calloused they were to refuse her medical treatment for two hours. I explained to them she'd gone 40-50 min in labor before the contractiosn stopped. Then it was another 30-40 min transit time to get to them. Plus the two hours they shuffled their feet. We got there @ around 5:15-5:30 p.m. and we didn't get out of there until a quarter to 8 at night. We're sitting in the waiting room like dummies, we had been seen by the Vet already and discussed the treatment options, so we think the dog is actually getting the x-ray and oxy shot, and we're just waiting for the results ... when in fact nothing had been done.

    If you can believe it, the incision actually looks worse today. Not bloody but with the staples popping out we can see that the skin towards the top of the incision looks like it was folded over and under the mammaries it seems to have seperated even wider. That, I'm afraid, might split open with the staples now out. I am wondering if I should take her tomorrow to my regular Vet for treatment or just go back down to the ASPCA and go postal on them. I really want them to see, firsthand, what was done to this dog. And I wasn't going ot pursue it at first, just wanted to get her cleaned up by the other Vet, but I really do want at least half of my $ refunded. This is insane. The more I look at it, the more it's obvious she's going to need more invasive procedures to remove the damn hair and clean her out on the inside. Ugh.

    I will keep everyone updated on how this turns out. Thanks for the support :)

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    mudpuppy, if and when there is a next time, I am sure that the OP will do things differently.  Experience is an excellent teacher and the OP does not need to be scolded further. 

    Nothing justifies someone who calls himself (or herself) a vet leaving trash in an incision! 

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    janet_rose
    Nothing justifies someone who calls himself (or herself) a vet leaving trash in an incision! 

     

    TOTALLY agree. Heck, I worked with lab rats in college, and if any of us bumbling undergrads had treated our animals the way that vet treated your dog, we would have been fined, kicked out of the class, and possibly even suspended so quickly we wouldn't have had time to even blink.

    How is your dog doing, HoundMusic?

    If she looks like she's doing fairly well, I would take her down to the SPCA and raise holy heck. HOWEVER, this would no doubt be a bit of a stress on her, so I would be inclined to go down and make the BIGGEST SCENE POSSIBLE (while still being polite, of course) while armed with lots and lots and lots of very explicit photographs.

    I would also consider writing to the local paper - a letter to the editor, if nothing else - and talking to your primary vet about the possibility of contacting an attorney.

    If she were my dog, I would take her to my primary vet to clean everything up, as I certainly wouldn't trust the SPCA vets after that debacle.